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@Gvssy Hi I saw that what your edits are I want to talk about them I give you a source that talks about Polish military victory [1] Poles ousted the Swedes but failed to achieve the same in diplomacy with defeat, source [2][3] They fully mention the defeat of Polish diplomacy at Oliva, because there is no point in debating who won, everyone won in a certain sphere, Poland and lithuania kept their existence, but sweden politically won the conflict. AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 20:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello!
Even if you have sources that describe either a Polish military victory and/or a Swedish political victory, these types of results are explicitly against WP:MILMOS#INFOBOX.
Results are meant to be as straightforward as possible, this is why results like, for example: "Soviet strategic victory" are against guidelines.
The best thing to do in this case is to add these sources (if they are not already there) to the outcome section in the article. Gvssy (talk) 20:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite true, because the rules don't mention it, but I have a better idea to remove these results and do the
The guidelines in fact do prohibit it, here's a quote from the template:
"this parameter may use one of two standard terms: "X victory" or "Inconclusive". The term used is for the "immediate" outcome of the "subject" conflict and should reflect what the sources say. In cases where the standard terms do not accurately describe the outcome, a link or note should be made to the section of the article where the result is discussed in detail (such as "See the Aftermath section"). Such a note can also be used in conjunction with the standard terms but should not be used to conceal an ambiguity in the "immediate" result. Do not introduce non-standard terms like "decisive", "marginal" or "tactical", or contradictory statements like "decisive tactical victory but strategic defeat". Omit this parameter altogether rather than engage in speculation about which side won or by how much."
Anyhow, I'm not sure exactly what your suggestion would change, since it already links to the Treaty of Oliva in the result parameter. Gvssy (talk) 20:39, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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