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Discussion for Today

This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_September_4

September 4

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Jat states

Propose deleting Category:Jat states (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: We avoid extensive WP:CASTE based categories, and the outcome linking caste and princely states at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 4#Caste based princely state categories was that these cats should be delted. This is just an alterered form of Category:Jat princely states for which there was a clear consensus for deletion as seen in the discussion. Gotitbro (talk) 17:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1982 Japanese television episodes

Propose deleting Category:1982 Japanese television episodes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2015 German television episodes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2018 German television episodes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2019 German television episodes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Categories newly created just to hold redirects. These would be fine if there were actual articles about Japanese or German television episodes from these years to file here, but are not needed just to hold redirects to television series. Bearcat (talk) 15:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This has only just been created. Allow a chance for it be populated rather than just delete it straight away. Also what is wrong with a category composed of redirects? --Jameboy (talk) 15:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Allow a chance for it to be populated" with what? The content has to exist first, and then the category to contain said content comes second, not vice versa. And the purpose of categories is to help readers find articles, not redirects — so while redirects can be included where appropriate in categories that also contain articles, categories that exist exclusively to hold redirects without articles are done only as hidden project tracking categories, and not as end-user browsing categories. I mean, if we just exhaustively created a redirect from every episode title that has ever existed to the television series it was an episode of, and categorized them all here, then how would that be helpful to a reader at all? Episode categories in the mainspace tree need to contain at least some actual standalone articles about the episodes themselves to be useful, and are simply not needed just to hold redirects. Bearcat (talk) 15:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a link to a relevant guideline concerning the above? I looked at WP:ACATR and WP:RCAT and couldn't find anything that would prevent a category from containing only redirects. --Jameboy (talk) 18:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cannabis distribution retailers of Canada

Propose deleting Category:Cannabis distribution retailers of Canada (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Duplicates the more full Category:Cannabis shops in Canada. RA0808 ^talk _contribs 15:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. There isn't really an obvious or defining distinction between a "cannabis shop" and a "cannabis distribution retailer", and both of the articles here are already in the other category at the same time anyway. Bearcat (talk) 15:52, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Singers from Vijayawada, India

Propose merging Category:Singers from Vijayawada, India to Category:Musicians from Vijayawada

Nominator's rationale: Category newly created for just one article. The article, further, is a group, not a person, and a group should not be categorized as a "singer" — but regardless, this isn't necessary for just one article, and while the target has a few other singers in it, with only eight articles (including the one article here having been left there as unncessary duplicate categorization alongside this) it doesn't need to be subdivided.
Additionally, it warrants note that the creator also created a whole mess of other new "X from Vijayawada, India" categories to parent this, despite the fact that all of them duplicated "X from Vijayawada" categories that we already have. I've redirected all of those to the existing categories, but this is the only one that didn't already exist at the "Vijayawada" form. Bearcat (talk) 14:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nomination. Not enough entries in Category:Musicians from Vijayawada to need diffusion. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 15:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American writers about The Holocaust

Propose deleting Category:American writers about The Holocaust (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: "Writers about subject" category, newly created for just one person. There's no "Writers about the Holocaust" tree for this to be part of, and while there are obviously a lot of people (from throughout the world, not just the US) who could be added to such a category, it would have to encompass such an incredibly wide variety of different types of writing -- personal Holocaust memoirs, historical analysis, novels, poetry, and unfortunately even denialism -- as to not actually represent a unified group because they weren't all writing about the Holocaust in the same way, which is precisely why such an obvious "you would think it would already exist" category doesn't actually already exist. So the United States doesn't have any special need of this for just one person. Bearcat (talk) 14:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think Category:Writers by subject area precludes different types of writing, does it? I mean, for example, the first three names in Category:Environmental writers are a photographer, a philosopher, and a documentarian. I'm sure those are all quite different, and yet I don't see why any of them would be removed. I don't quite see why Category:Writers about the Holocaust shouldn't exist, at least based on this argument. I do agree that this specific by nationality cat shouldn't exist without the parent, but I think the better solution would be creating the parent, and maybe merging this into that for the time being if there aren't enough Americans to justify the subcat. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 15:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it doesn't already exist, then there has to be a reason why it doesn't already exist, because it's such an obvious "you would think it would already exist" case that its failure to already exist has to have been actively thought out rather than simply overlooked by accident. Bearcat (talk) 15:48, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:First ladies and gentlemen of Las Vegas

Propose deleting Category:First ladies and gentlemen of Las Vegas (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Both subjects in this category are notable for themselves having served as mayor. Being married to a mayor is not generally notable in itself. Fails WP:COPDEF. AusLondonder (talk) 12:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:First ladies of Denver

Propose deleting Category:First ladies of Denver (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Not a notable office. All members of the category were notable outside of being married to the mayor. Fails WP:COPDEF. AusLondonder (talk) 12:16, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:English chiropractors

Propose deleting Category:English chiropractors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. Only two entries, and the parent cat only contains this. Upmerge both articles to Category:British chiropractors. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 10:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Chiropractors by nationality

Propose deleting Category:Chiropractors by nationality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary additional layer. Category:Chiropractors is already near empty with just three articles and this one subcat, and this subcat only has 11 subcats, so it's not doing much diffusion. Upmerge all subcats to Chiropractors. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 10:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Magritte Award winners

Propose splitting Category:Magritte Award winners to Category:Magritte Award winners and Category:Magritte Award winning films

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:COPSEP, we should not have a mix of biographical and non-biographical articles in the same category so this needs to be split somehow. Open to other naming schemes however. --wooden superman 08:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Split per nom. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 10:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Writings by topic

Propose merging Category:Writings by topic to Category:Literature by topic

Nominator's rationale: This is simple and straightforward: Anything that is referred to as "Writings" is by definition "Literature". End of discussion.

I should add that I've already made Category:Literature by topic a parent cat, just in case it turns out there is a useful distinction between the two terms that has somehow eluded me.

I would love to be enlightened as to why this Category was even created - especially considering that there is no Category:Writings to serve as its parent. However, that is exceedingly unlikely, given that its creator was our good friend User:Stefanomione, who has never to my knowledge responded in any way when informed of a CFD for one of his innumerable Categories. I will nonetheless notify him of this discussion. You never know. :) Anomalous+0 (talk) 08:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Anti-capitalist political parties

Propose deleting Category:Anti-capitalist political parties (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Anti-capitalism is not a distinct ideology (like say Socialism, Communism, Liberalism, etc.), and as such not a good categorization for political parties. Many political parties may have some anti-capitalist traits, but it is almost never the defining characteristic of the ideology of a party. Here we get a WP:OR hodgepodge, where disparate parties are grouped together. --Soman (talk) 21:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, in scope this largely overlaps with Category:Communist parties. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question If this rationale is valid, I've got play a devil's advocate and see what possible follow-ups this could lead to. Anti-Fooism is not a distinct ideology (like say Socialism, Communism, Liberalism, etc.), and as such not a good categorization for political parties. Many political parties may have some anti-Fooist traits, but it is almost never the defining characteristic of the ideology of a party. Here we get a WP:OR hodgepodge, where disparate parties are grouped together could also easily apply to:
- Category:Anti-clerical parties‎ (1 C, 24 P)
- Category:Anti-communist parties‎ (31 C, 238 P)
- Category:Anti-Islam political parties‎ (2 C, 5 P)
- Category:Anti-nationalist parties‎ (3 C, 10 P)
- Category:Anti-Zionist political parties‎ (8 C, 28 P)
- Category:Republican parties‎ (8 C, 70 P) in the sense that they are anti-monarchist parties, but otherwise do not necessarily have much in common
- etc.

All we'd need to do is swap the word "Foo" for something else and we've got the exact same rationale that being anti-something cannot be defining, even if it has a main article like Anti-capitalism (which, by the way, says in its opening sentence that Anti-capitalism is a political ideology and movement..., undermining nom's primary argument that it's "not a distinct ideology").

I think nom needs to either (A) justify singling out only the Category:Anti-capitalist political parties tree for deletion, or (B) broaden the nomination with other anti-something parties, or (C) withdraw the nomination if it seems to be a bit special pleading-ish. If nom cannot do A or B, I'll have to oppose, but I'll give them the opportunity to explain their rationale. NLeeuw (talk) 13:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be a mix of option A and B: incidentally there may be parties that are first and foremost against something rather than for something, but I expect these will be exceptions. I would be ok discussing them one by one. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say some of these such as Category:Anti-communist parties‎, Category:Republican parties‎ are definitely categories I find questionable. Category:Anti-Zionist political parties is a total mess, mixing Neo-Nazis with the Bund. That said, I wouldn't extrapolate to say either delete all or none. I think Anti-capitalist political parties is valid for deletion, other categories can be CfDs separately and discussed separately. --Soman (talk) 23:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why? NLeeuw (talk) 04:30, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Nom has not provided any reason why this category (tree) specifically should be deleted and not the other sibling anti-something category trees. Especially if we are supposed to discuss them separately, and judge each category on their merits, I expect specific reasons for why "anti-capitalism" is WP:NONDEF and "not an ideology" when main article Anti-capitalism says exactly that it is in the very first sentence. NLeeuw (talk) 06:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Content analysis I indirectly agree with @Marcocapelle that there is much overlap with child Category:Socialist parties (rather than grandchild Category:Communist parties), but some anti-capitalist parties are not socialist. Practically speaking, I think this category is good for all non-socialist parties that are also anti-capitalist, and that all anti-capitalist parties which are also socialist can be WP:DIFFUSED to child Category:Socialist parties (as probably very few socialist parties will openly identify as "capitalist" rather than "anti-capitalist"; I've not seen any examples). Based on the article contents we can group the following:

Non-socialist (or anti-socialist) anti-capitalist parties (I recommend Keeping them): Category:Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan,Adequate Party, Black Hammer Party, Islamic Party of Britain (might not pass GNG), Korean National Youth Association, Liechtenstein Free Trade Association, New Black Panther Party, Traditionalist Worker Party.
Articles with nothing in the main body text (not counting categories and unsourced claims in the infobox) indicating the party is either anti-capitalist or socialist (I recommend Purging them): Aloha ʻĀina Party, Party of the Greens and the Left Future, Hosank (might be AfD'd, seems fringe), SUMKA.
Socialist anti-capitalist parties (I recommend WP:DIFFUSE to Category:Socialist parties): the rest. NLeeuw (talk) 07:07, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PS: The result is 7 non-socialist anti-capitalist party articles and 1 child cat. I think that's enough for a Keep. However, I might add that all these 8 non-socialist anti-capitalist parties are examples of Category:Right-wing anti-capitalism. Therefore, I would be open to rearrange the situation such that we consider all socialist parties anti-capitalist by definition (and thus diffuse them), we Purge the 4 parties whose status is unsourced, and that we Rename & Re-parent this category for the 7 + 1 non-socialist anti-capitalist parties to Category:Right-wing anti-capitalist parties, adding a catdesc with something like For left-wing anti-capitalist parties, see Category:Socialist parties. The only possible exception is the Liechtenstein Free Trade Association, which is difficult to put on the political spectrum, but probably leaned socialist ("against private property"), and could be put in parent Category:Anti-capitalist organizations instead if we can't make up our minds. I'm curious what other editors think. NLeeuw (talk) 07:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree. I would have agreed if the primary goal of these parties is abolishing capitalism, like communist parties, but that is not the case for these right wing parties. The only real anti-capitalist party here is Liechtenstein Free Trade Association. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on NL's objections?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 03:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - I have to say, I am genuinely astonished that nowhere in this discussion has there been any mention of Anarchist political parties, who are most assuredly Anti-capitalist. Evidently that is because Category:Anarchist political parties was left out of Category:Anti-capitalist political parties. (I've gone ahead and remedied that.) Never mind that the head Category:Anarchism is included as a subcat of the head Category:Anti-capitalism. The point being that there is a diverse array of political parties that are fairly described as "Anti-capitalist". Call it a "hodgepodge" if you like, but that is simply a reflection of the real world. Anomalous+0 (talk) 08:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Paralympic medalists in athletics (track and field)

Propose splitting Category:Paralympic medalists in athletics (track and field) to Category:Paralympic silver medalists in athletics (track and field) and Category:Paralympic bronze medalists in athletics (track and field)

Nominator's rationale: Also, Category:Paralympic gold medalists in athletics (track and field)‎, respectively. Like Category:Olympic medalists in athletics (track and field), this category grows every four years, so being specific is useful, as para athletics is one of the events with the highest number of medals per Game. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 05:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pentose phosphate pathway

Propose deleting Category:Pentose phosphate pathway (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose merging Category:Chemokines to Category:Cytokines
Propose merging Category:Myokines to Category:Cytokines

Nominator's rationale: Can someone take a look at these category (as well as others by DinosaursLoveExistence (talk · contribs)? I don't know enough chemistry to really evaluate whether this is actually defining or just more examples of non-defining/overcategorization by the same creator. Mason (talk) 01:50, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The categories are a week old so I presume they have been fully populated by now. Merge Category:Chemokines and Category:Myokines by lack of sufficient content. Probably delete Category:Pentose phosphate pathway, it does not seem a very defining characteristic. If not deleted it should be renamed such that it clearly becomes a set category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, I left a notice at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Molecular_Biology. If this discussion is relisted it would be helpful if the relister would update the link there too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Chemistry instruments

Propose merging Category:Chemistry instruments to Category:Scientific instruments

Nominator's rationale: Non defining/underpopulated category. Mason (talk) 01:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, the category only contains one article and a subcategory, which is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Chemistry volumetric instruments

Propose merging Category:Chemistry volumetric instruments to Category:Volumetric instruments

Nominator's rationale: There is no need to create an intersection between the field and type of scientific instrument Mason (talk) 01:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, the only article is not about chemistry per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Employment contracts

Propose merging Category:Employment contracts to Category:Contract law

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category made by the same underpopulating category creator Mason (talk) 01:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The category is meanwhile empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Airport bus services in the United Kingdom

Propose merging Category:Airport bus services in the United Kingdom to Category:Airport bus services

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There's no need to diffuse by country Mason (talk) 01:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, I have populated the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Construction law by country

Propose merging Category:Construction law by country to Category:Construction law

Nominator's rationale: There is no need to diffuse this topic by country, with two underpopulated categories. Mason (talk) 01:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Probably merge the subcategories too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The latter already happened. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Psychiatric procedures

Propose deleting Category:Psychiatric procedures (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This underpopulated category only has one page in it, and Vagus nerve stimulation is not typically described as a "Psychiatric procedure" Mason (talk) 01:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, the only article rather belongs in Category:Neurology procedures and is already in there. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Radio serials

Propose merging Category:Radio serials to Category:Radio dramas

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category. Mason (talk) 01:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just delete, after I added the subcategory to Category:Australian radio dramas. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Construction law in France

Propose merging Category:Construction law in France to Category:Law of France

Nominator's rationale: This underpopulated category was mass created by an editor who has not engaged with repeated attempts to discuss their approach to rapid-fire underpoplated intersecting categories. Mason (talk) 01:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gaza envelope in the Israel–Hamas war

Propose merging Category:Gaza envelope in the Israel–Hamas war to Category:Israel–Hamas war by location

Nominator's rationale: This is a redundant category layer. Upmerge for now. Mason (talk) 01:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]