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This page needs to be like other Wikipedia biographies. We can use pages like Valmiki, Kalidasa, Themistoclea as model. If nothing or very little is known about their life, early life, date of birth, death etc. we can state that in the biography section. PastaMonk03:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Joshua Jonathan: What is point of discussion if you refuse to address the question. Kindly explain why conjecture about "early life" is not part of a person's life. Why do you think it should be part of his conquests PastaMonk04:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As already explained, with reference to the Wiki-article:
No, of course the "Early life" section should not be moved to the biography-section; it opens with the very clear statement "According to the oldest hagiographies".
This "Early life" subsection summarizes what those Digvijaya say, the topic of that section; they do not summarize actual biographical information. But maybe you can explain why fiction should be presented as fact? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk!04:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It may not be fact. Even the existence of God is not a scientifically proven fact. But you can always say "people believe there is a God". Similarly in the section about a person's life you can say very little is known about his life some people believe x,y version of his life and some people believe the z version of his life. But this information needs to be visible upfront. PastaMonk05:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Joshua Jonathan:Re: "Maybe you'll have to make some effort to digest the article." You want people to accept your way of present things. That sounds a bit dictatorial. Re "Maybe this article isn't a biographical article, but an article about the shaping of Indian religion". The page is about Adi Shankara the person. I think it's pointless to try and reason with you. If someone tries to edit the page you may start an edit war (evident from the page history). So, I give up. You go ahead and have fun. I quit. PastaMonk04:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Joshua Jonathan: As a last ditch attempt to make you see things from the reader's perspective I shall explain why and how I came to this page. In middle of some discussion the topic of Adi Sankara cropped up. A long time ago I had read somewhere that the people of Kerala believe that Adi Sankara was born in Kalady in Ernakulam district of Kerala. I was not sure about this. So, while I am talking I bring up the Wikipedia page to reconfirm this. I look for his biography in this page and do not find it anywhere. No one wants to read the entire article to get at a small piece of information. That is what indexes and headings are for. For people to find information quickly. Do not subvert that mechanism PastaMonk07:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see; that's a good explanation. For the discussion you had, though, it's relevant to know that those hagiographies do not contain historical info, isn't it? Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk!07:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Joshua Jonathan:Please read my comment again. I wrote : "the people of Kerala believe that Adi Sankara was born in Kalady". The key word is "believe". I can see that you have a prejudice against that belief. That prejudice is noted with all due respect. But, that is not reason enough to put that information in a place that is not easily visible/accessible, i.e. inside a section called "Digvijaya", who would think of looking there ? PastaMonk08:08, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another interesting prediction is that Lord Shiva, one of the great demigods, would appear in Kali-yuga as Shankaracharya. In the Padma Purana (6.236.5-12) Shiva explains to his wife, Parvati, that he will appear in the age of Kali to proclaim that the Buddhist doctrine is a false religion and illusory. He also said that he would propound the mayavada or impersonalist philosophy, emphasizing the indefinable nature of the Brahman, the great, impersonal spiritual force. He explained, "The philosophy of Maya (mayavada) is a wicked doctrine and is pseudo-Buddhist. In the form of a brahmana, I proclaim this doctrine in Kali-yuga. It makes the words of the holy Vedic texts meaningless and is condemned in the world. In this doctrine it recommends giving up one's duties of life [in order to be free of karma], which is said to be religiousness for those who have fallen from their duties. I will propound the identity of the Supreme Soul and the individual soul to be the [one and the same] Brahman in nature, without qualities. O goddess, I have conceived this mayavada (impersonalist) doctrine, which resembles a purport of the Ve das, for deluding people in this age of Kali [to mislead them toward atheism by denying the personal form of God]." 2409:4071:2104:311C:827B:8D73:BE76:E78 (talk) 17:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That part is highly interpolated .that part of padma puran is. considered interpolated....Even there is written demon name madhu will come to say against shiva ......these type of thing all are interpolated ....In padma puran the deluding incarnation is said for vaam. Margi kapalik because there is written he will carry bone and ashes ...iskcon guys funny Redop1 (talk) 07:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Change “Born 700 CE. Disputed” to “Born circa 700 CE. Kalady, Kerala, India.”
There is no dispute about the birthplace and it is equally corroborated in historical records and hagiographies alike. It’s glaring that the very fact known most about Adi Shankara in India is his birthplace, and that should be omitted. Also starting an article with the word disputed strewn everywhere when he is known to have written so many authoritative commentaries and texts on the Vedas and Upansihads is quite puzzling. It’s not like he is a character as old as Abraham whose stature is almost mythological with no actual text written by him available to us now. But Wikipedia’s entry on him doesn’t mention the word disputed anywhere. Unlike Abraham, Adi Shankara is very much contemporaneous through his living breathing works in Sanskrit. Skanda2020 (talk) 14:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you should read the article. Which historical records state that he was born in Kalady? The word "disputed" is used only two times, for his birth- and death-date; and actually, there is not somuch to dispute about, unless you take the hagiographic tales as historical recordings, and believe that Adi Fankara was born 500 BCE. Regarding Abraham: "Most scholars view the patriarchal age, along with the Exodus and the period of the biblical judges, as a late literary construct that does not relate to any particular historical era,[10] and after a century of exhaustive archaeological investigation, no evidence has been found for a historical Abraham.[11]." Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk!15:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Adi Sankara was not vaishna ,he didn't follow vaishnav agama .his main teaching itself is hari har abhed,both shiva and vishnu as one .In tile dasanami ,there is written sankara is vaishnava . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redop1 (talk • contribs) 07:21, July 13, 2024 (UTC)
@Useless3078: your edit diff added a date based on a traditional source, Sastry Narayana (1916), The Age of Sankara, giving the dating of Kanchipuram matha. This does not belong in the "Scholarly datings"-section, nor does it add new info to the "Matha datings"-section. Apart from that, you gave a direct link to the source, instead of using <ref></ref> tags. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk!03:32, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Charliehdb (talk) 07:08, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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