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Is there a reason that neither the article prose nor the infobox makes any mention that the White House is a National Historic Landmark? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris857 (talk • contribs) 09:46, February 22, 2013 (UTC)
When construction was finished, the porous sandstone walls were whitewashed with a mixture of lime, rice glue, casein, and lead, giving the house its familiar color and name. 223.191.33.155 (talk) 07:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Collapsed navbox section for navboxes of 'Residents'
Was thinking of creating a collapsible navbox section entitled 'Residents' which, when opened, would include the navboxes of all the presidents since Adams in chronological order, as well as the few navboxes of first ladies. This would entail listing 'White House' on all of their navboxes in existing sections (other homes of presidents and first ladies are already included on their navboxes, so this is an obvious gap in their 'homes' listing). As this will take a bit of time I wanted to run in by here first in case there is major opposition and the inclusion is reverted. Pinging CommonKnowledgeCreator, who has focused attention on U.S. presidential navboxes lately, for their viewpoint, and I'll also place a notice on the U.S. presidents Wikiproject page. Thanks for thoughts, approval/disapproval. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:47, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd added a navbox and Fram reverted in good faith. Since the White House is linked on the navboxes as a residence, and navboxes are on all of the other pages which list homes of U.S. presidents and First Ladies, do you have a major objection or is it just that it may be too large for the software. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:51, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A navbox should have a direct link to the subject, e.g. on the page of a President a navbox with all presidents, on the page of a presidential residence a navbox with all inhabitants or one with all other presidential residences: what you added though is a second-degree navbox: on the page of a residence, the navboxes for all presidents, i.e. links to many things which have no direct connection to or aren't similar to the White House. As far as I know, we normally don't add such second-degree navboxes. Fram (talk) 16:30, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly Oppose. The White House itself is not primarily related to any individual President or First Lady since it has served as the official residence and workplace of the President since the John Adams administration. Adding the biography template of each President and First Lady to the White House article would just create template clutter in it. Among other reasons, this is why the criteria for good navigation templates in WP:NAVBOX should recommend against including articles in navigation templates that are already included in other templates unless the template would truly be incomplete by its exclusion. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 22:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Residents of presidents are included on navboxes, and the residences actually have their own article (List of residences of presidents of the United States). Many of these national leaders lived in the White House for eight years, and in Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt's case, almost 13. It was a major home for all of them (except maybe poor William Henry H.). The navboxes seem appropriate here, there is no clutter (there are actually only two navboxes). Fram, I've never heard the term second-degree navbox, these people lived in this home and this fact is reflected on their navbox. I'm surprised this has caused so much concern, but you never know on Wikipedia. Let's see if anyone else chimes in. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. The White House link should have been added to them long ago, as a major residence of all of the U.S. presidents from John Adams forward, and I apologize for not thinking of it earlier. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:30, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with CommonKnowledgeCreator in that the topic is already covered in the "list of residences" article. A good faith suggestion by Bruce though, as the presidents and First Ladies are forever tied into White House history and lore, all except George and Martha Washington living there as one of their primary residences (the central portion is actually called "The Residence", or the Executive Residence). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An idea. Fram, CommonKnowledgeCreator, Bruce leverett, since the Executive Residence page exists, how about adding the two collapsed templates to it and not here at the main White House article. The link on the John Adams' and other navboxes could be to 'Executive Residence' with the visible link still worded 'White House' (the wording 'Executive Residence' is much less familiar than 'White House'). Randy Kryn (talk) 14:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly oppose for the same reasons why I oppose including the biography navigation templates for Presidents and First Ladies in the White House article: The Executive Residence serves as the official residence of the President, is likewise not primarily related to any individual President or First Lady, it was only the residence of the President and First Lady while the President was in office and is otherwise unrelated to their lives, and including the biography templates of each President and First Lady in the Executive Residence article would just create template clutter in it. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 14:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will explain again: the residences of U.S. presidents are included on their navboxes. That's really all we need to know. The White House (or, in this case, Executive Residence) is unarguably (I guess in your case, arguably) a major residence for each of the people who became president and each member of their families. You 'strongly oppose' something based on not understanding the basic long-term arrangement of these and other navboxes in all fields of endeavor: if there is an article about a residence the residence is included on the navbox and the navbox is placed on the article about the residence. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:21, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will explain again... Will try explaining once again: WP:NAVBOX requires that articles included in a navigation template not be loosely related; your proposal violates the letter and principles of a policy and guideline that reflect an already-existing community consensus. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 14:29, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
fact or fiction? WP:NAVBOX states "If the collection of articles does not meet [the criteria for good navigation templates], the articles are likely loosely related. A list, category, or neither, may accordingly be more appropriate." Fact or fiction? -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 15:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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