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Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
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July 30

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July 30, 2024 (2024-07-30) (Tuesday)

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2024 Wayanad landslides

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Article: 2024 Wayanad landslides (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 133 people die as a result of 2024 Wayanad landslides in Wayanad, India. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Landslides in Wayanad, India kill at least 133 people.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The deadliest landslides in Kerala history kill at least 133 in Wayanad.
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c51y7k2y7v1o
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These landslides got international media attention. Pachu Kannan (talk) 15:38, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Venezuela protests

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Article: 2024 Venezuelan protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Protests erupt in Venezuela against the Maduro government, after his victory in the 2024 elections that was widely seen as fraudulent. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Venezuela widespread protests erupt as the official 2024 election results are contested.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Widespread protests erupt after Nicolas Maduro is declared the winner of Venezuela's 2024 presidential election amid allegations of electoral fraud.
Credits:

This should probably be combined with the blurb below, but I think the protests are only becoming larger and larger, and are now international news. Article is making good progress. Libertad! PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: This would obviously be better than a blurb only about Maduro's win. Article is small but is expanding. Prodrummer619 (talk) 10:51, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Perhaps reads more like a chronology, but well updated. And anecdotally, the BBC News report leads with the scale and severity of the protests, only saying "disputed re-election" as context - so I don’t think this needs to be combined with or wait for the election nom (below), it’s sufficiently standalone news. Kingsif (talk) 12:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I know that there are protests going on there, but just listing a bunch of events in a chronological order without anything else that indicates these are all tied together is not a quality article. --Masem (t) 12:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Surely we would combine this blurb with the blurb for the election, so this nomination probably can just be replaced by adding an altblurb to the nom for the presidential election. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have added an alt blurb. Unfortunately I am not (as of this comment) satisfied with the quality of the main article on the elections. But I do think the situation in Venezuela merits a blurb on the main page. The protest article is adequate for posting. I have included an unbolded link to the article on the elections. Hopefully it will continue to improve. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Perhaps a combined blurb could be something like "Widespread protests erupt after Nicolas Maduro is declared the winner of Venezuela's contested (or "controversial") 2024 presidential election". PtolemyXV (talk) 15:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: William Calley

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Article: William Calley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American war criminal. Only man convicted in the My Lai Massacre. He died on April 28th but his death was only just reported. Article is in decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support! He was the only one convicted in this important event. 109.43.48.31 (talk) 13:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We'll post anyone important enough to have a Wikipedia page; we only assess article quality here. Bremps... 15:05, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 29

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July 29, 2024 (2024-07-29) (Monday)

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  • At least two people are killed and as many as 100 others are injured when a passenger train carrying 800 people collides with a Kamaz truck near Volgograd, Russia, and partially derails. (Al Arabiya)

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(Closed) Deadpool & Wolverine

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A consensus to post this will not develop. Too niche. Not sure if we posted the last Avengers movie when it broke the overall record. Closing now. --Tone 13:18, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Proposed image
Article: Deadpool & Wolverine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Deadpool & Wolverine, starring Ryan Reynolds (pictured), breaks box office records for an R-rated movie in its opening weekend (Post)
News source(s): CNN, France24, Hollywood Reporter,LA Times, NYT, Straits Times, Variety
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Article updated

This has been a hit with our readers too as the top read article for several straight days now, beating the Olympics, the elections and the rest. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:03, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose ITN is not for these types of news. First of all, we do not post News items just because they are the most read one, that goes here. Second, R-rating is just a US specific rating and a large of readers probably do not know about it and therefore this record holds little value to them. Lastly, it is only the 6th largest opening in the US overall and around 12th biggest worldwide opening for any movie, so hardly a groundbreaking record. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not the type of business news we post, and to state this yet again, we do not use page views as a metric of whether we should post at ITN in the first place. --Masem (t) 11:57, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per PrinceofPunjab. Estreyeria (talk) 13:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Prince of Punjab. This isn't the overall record, which is inevitably broken due to inflation. This is like saying there is a new tallest building in the world...well, the tallest that Americans under 17 can enter with adult supervision. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:11, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

New UNESCO World Heritage Sites

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Article: List of World Heritage Sites by year of inscription#2024 (46th session) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The World Heritage Committee in New Delhi selected 24 new sites for the global List of World Heritage Sites, with the Schwerin Castle in Germany (pictured) among them. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 24 new sites were selected for the global List of World Heritage Sites during the 46th session in New Delhi, India.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The World Heritage Committee designates 24 new UNESCO World Heritage Sites during its 46th session in New Delhi, India (Schwerin Castle in Germany pictured).
News source(s): UNESCO DW EuroNews
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Article updated

The newly selected UNESCO World Heritage Sites are normally featured in the News here. Example can be left out or swapped, I think it is usually a wonderful addition. -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 09:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, if it is just about that very detail, how about just changing it in the article and we're good. :) -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 09:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Venezuelan presidential election

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Article: 2024 Venezuelan presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nicolás Maduro is announced as the winner of the 2024 Venezuelan presidential election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Venezuela, incumbent President Nicolás Maduro is declared the winner of the presidential election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Incumbent Nicolás Maduro is re-elected President of Venezuela for a third term.
Alternative blurb III: ​ After disputed presidential elections, protests erupt in Venezuela.
News source(s): NY Times BBC News
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Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nicolás Maduro has been announced the winner of the 2024 election. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 04:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not Ready As noted by others, the article has a number of issues that will require some work before this can be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALTBLURB with "declared winner" language used for dubious elections This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt disappointing. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 05:19, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb language used and oppose for citations needed - I caution users to tame their chauvinism. Western media is very obviously biased on this matter. For decades, the West has sought regime change in this nation and election after election we see the West attempt to discredit elections in socialist countries in the Global South. It is frankly disgusting that Wikipedia is joining in this rather than critically assessing our sources for reliability. How many times must we watch as the US manufactures consent for a coup before we realize that we can't trust most US sources on this issue. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 05:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Really? The second citation is British.... not American. --RockstoneSend me a message! 05:39, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are funny if you think that makes difference. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 05:58, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, it's outrageous to refer to the BBC as a "US source", and it makes you look very bad. Honestly, your entire comment is outrageous and doesn't serve to help the project in any manner. You should consider striking it. --RockstoneSend me a message! 15:30, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of the authenticity of the election, these discussion pages are not meant to be used to petty bickering. We will use the source deemed most reliable, and whether or not it fits with your stance on the subject, be it politically or as an external perspective/opinion, is not to be taken into consideration. Let's do our best not to become Reddit, thank you. Daneellis114 (talk) 23:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah best to close the discussion here PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For about the 50th time in the last month to various users, personal commentary doesn’t help this project. The Kip (contribs) 06:39, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This was objectively a sham election by all reliable accounts apart from the Maduro regime, stop pushing POV. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:50, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have any independent sources to back up your entire comment? If not, you yourself are guilty of pushing a pro-Maduro POV. Tube·of·Light 14:06, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The BBC is not a reliable source but the Venezuelan regime somehow is PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Um, hate to be that guy, but countering chauvinism or "chauvinism" with what presents as chauvinism itself isn't helpful. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb with "declared" due to the dispute. Article seems well written and cited. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 05:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the original blurb unless evidence of fraud emerges (which it may, of course) PtolemyXV (talk) 05:48, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb, it’s not just “the west” disputing the results but the opposition themselves. The Kip (contribs) 06:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The proposed blurbs don't adequately convey the phony nature of the process. And the article is in a poor state with a lot of rambling, citations needed and tense errors. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Repeatedly has been shown tht we're not going to try to call out sham elections or their ilk at ITN. We can use language how we say who won that implies that it was not democratic win, like we have done for the last Russian election, but it becomes a NPOV problem to suggest in the ITN blurb if the election is a sham; that's a topic left for the article in question. — Masem (t) 11:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      That's nonsense because numerous editors have supported the alt blurb as a standard signal to the reader that the election was not free and fair. So, we do regularly call out such sham elections in that way but it's too subtle -- we should be more direct rather than dropping hints.
      In any case, there are still the quality issues which are not resolved.
      Andrew🐉(talk) 20:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article has two cn tags, two orange tags, one yellow tag and result section is empty. Therefore, it is no way near ready to be posted. I support the Alt Blurb when it is ready to be psoted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, elections for the executive where there is no change in office are now also ITNR, per this discussion. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:24, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There are multiple orange tags, and the endorsements section is missing a lot of citations. Will support the alt when ready. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait The National Electoral Council (Venezuela) has been offline and/or has a DNS problem since at least the last day or so, although some archived snapshots e.g. 28 July are available. As of the 2010s and 2020s, the electoral results coordinated by any national election commission, except for the internet-poorest countries, are normally published in full detail on the commission's website. Whether the reason for the website non-availability is attacks such as DDOS or tech incompetence or a desire to hide the results, the fact is that by the current standards of a national election, the results in the sense of open data are not yet published. There is currently only a "believe-us" XXth century style "result" announced by the CNE so far. The heads of many American states, such as Gabriel Boric, are putting pressure on the CNE to get the full results published. Waiting for a more serious release of the full results would make sense. Boud (talk) 21:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Along the lines of what Boud said, in lay terms, the election result hasn't actually been called, Maduro has just said he's won. The opposition has not conceded, there are no results to show (some apparently have fully gone missing) - the last update from even Maduro's own commission is that vote counts will be coming soon. Kingsif (talk) 21:12, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose For now, as the results themselves are still unavailable in the article. Granted, the results aren't gonna be super shocking. Dyaquna (talk) 22:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Reliable sources are essentially unanimous in describing the election as neither free or fair. Therefore, Maduro being declared the winner is about as surprising as "water is wet". KlayCax (talk) 00:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait There should be something, however it ought to mention the dispute. This is major news.
Metallurgist (talk) 01:38, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update of blurb needed: While waiting for the CNE to announce the full results, the 2024 Venezuelan protests (probably not the best name, since there were probably other protests in Venezuela in 2024) are already 11 kb of source text just 5 hours after being created, so should be integrated into the blurb. Things could change fast depending on if/when the CNE publishes the full results or continues to refuse to publish them, so further updates might be needed. Boud (talk) 01:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Suggest nominating the protests as their own blurb. If the photo can be confirmed as free, it's also really good to go in the box. Kingsif (talk) 02:20, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose because the election is dispute, protests are ongoing, and there are multiple orange tags. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 02:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose unless the blurb states clearly that it was rigged and that it sparked massive protests. Plus, the article has certain problems. If these are solved, take this one as a support. --Bedivere (talk) 06:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb2. That thing with words like "announced" or "declared" in dubious elections simply doesn't work, and I don't think our readers get the difference that a group of editors here wants to convey. Simply use "re-elected" and let the readers visit the article to find out the details. All winners are "announced" or "declared" no matter if the election was free and fair.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Most readers don't click through to the article. The main page gets about 5 million views daily but the number of readers that click though ITN links is only about 10K -- a tiny fraction. So, most readers will glance at or skim the main page and will just see the headline and the grinning picture of the tyrant/dictator/president-for-life. So, we should make the headline plain and clear if we run one because that's all most readers will see. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Why do you think that "announced" or "declared" makes it clear that the winner is a dictator or that the election was not free and fair? Why not extend the blurb to say that "X was re-elected in a dubious election"?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:39, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The result is disputed; for example, see Venezuelan opposition says it has proof its candidate defeated President Maduro in disputed election. In such circumstances of claim and counter-claim, it's not our job to pick a winner. All we might say currently is that there is unrest following a disputed election. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree that the protests should be the main story now. My point was that the words "announced" or "declared" wouldn't make any difference. If we post that Maduro was "announced winner", we practically accept the announcement of the National Electoral Council, so we practically side with them and pick Maduro as winner. Note that the opposition rejects outright what the National Electoral Council announced as a result of the election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Since the focus is now on protests, I suggest alternative blurb:
After disputed presidential elections, protests erupt in Venezuela. BilboBeggins (talk) 12:40, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a good blurb, but the article quality for the protests is not there yet. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sources do not currently show which is more notable: the election or the protests, so putting both in bold would be better justified. Boud (talk) 13:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with this, but both articles currently are not of sufficient quality. So if one is improved before the other, we could just make that the target to start out. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 28

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July 28, 2024 (2024-07-28) (Sunday)

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RD: Alma Powell

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Article: Alma Powell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American audiologist. 240F:7A:6253:1:113:A09D:C0B3:2CBF (talk) 06:39, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Francine Pascal

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Article: Francine Pascal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People, New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American author and creator of Sweet Valley High series. 240F:7A:6253:1:113:A09D:C0B3:2CBF (talk) 06:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Article is orange tagged for expansion and is a bit short. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:34, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've expanded the article out a bit; I don't think there are any unsourced statements anymore, but it's definitely still on the shorter side. I would add that the "sources" section, which seems to awkwardly combine a bibliography and a reference list, does not seem appropriate for the article in its current form and the bibliography side of it is basically unsourced, as it has no ISBNs or anything of the like.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 14:23, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Doug Creek

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Article: Doug Creek (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American baseball player. 240F:7A:6253:1:7072:B26A:4473:10DD (talk) 06:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article has only three sources, needs more citations. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:16, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Reyes Moronta

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Article: Reyes Moronta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 04:19, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship final

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Article: 2024 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Gaelic football, the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship concludes with Armagh defeating Galway in the final. (Post)
News source(s): (The Irish Times)
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Goevenonme (talk) 00:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good enough to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:18, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - good article, significant sporting event.

IrishRealistic (talk) 18:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Anderson

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Article: John Anderson (TV personality) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

UK Gladiators referee and British Olympic coach. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 21:32, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support meets bare minimum requirement. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:19, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Prince Michael of Greece and Denmark

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Article: Prince Michael of Greece and Denmark (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News, The Independent, and others.
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

He was a member of the former Greek royal family, a writer, a historian, a first cousin of Prince Philip and the last surviving great-grandson of Christian IX. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait List of works section needs more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 27

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July 27, 2024 (2024-07-27) (Saturday)

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  • Eight people are killed and five others are injured when a vehicle hits pedestrians in Changsha, Hunan, China. The perpetrator is arrested. (AP)

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RD: Murray Costello

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Article: Murray Costello (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hockey Canada NHL.com
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian ice hockey player, executive, and administrator. Article looks fine. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 17:53, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Edna O'Brien

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Article: Edna O'Brien (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Irish Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Appears to be well-sourced. Mooonswimmer 18:34, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ready it is of great quality, marking it ready. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:23, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Majdal Shams attack

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Article: Majdal Shams attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A rocket attack allegedly launched by Hezbollah on the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights kills at least 14 civilians. (Post)
News source(s): BBCTimes of IsraelHindustan TimesPress TV IranReutersRussia TodayAl Jazeera
Credits:

Article updated

Current official death toll is at 12 as of time of writing. Although the scale of this attack is dwarfed daily by IDF bombardments of Gaza, I propose that we cover this particular story because:

  • It is the single deadliest attack on Israeli civilians since October 7.[3]
  • It is the single deadliest spillover incident of the war since inception.
  • The attack was carried out in the context of a conflict with Hezbollah, which would make it separate from the Israel-Gaza war itself.
  • Attacks by other regional entities (Iran, the Houthis, and Hezbollah itself) have not previously resulted in this number of casualties during the conflict.
  • The article is expanded, well-written, and of a suitable length, with no citation needed tags.

For the above reasons, I hereby nominate this entry.

Wait - Posting this may be a problem as pointed out above, as it naturally invites comparisons to civilian casualties in Gaza (though this could be considered more notable as there are less Israeli civilian deaths, it's still a POV problem). I think it's best to wait to see what the Israeli response is; if this escalates the conflict with Hezbollah it's definitely enough to post, but until then Oppose PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:37, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Wolfgang Rihm

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Article: Wolfgang Rihm (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs work, maybe the "works" section could be split out? Natg 19 (talk) 23:57, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Grimes2 (talk) 08:04, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 26

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RD: Lionel Elika Fatupaito

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Article: Lionel Elika Fatupaito (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Post, New Strait Times, CBS News, ESPN, Daily Mail, The New York Times, The Independent, The Times of India
Credits:

Article updated
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RD: Janet Andrewartha

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Article: Janet Andrewartha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4], [5]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 07:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose unsourced Filmography. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 France railway arson attacks

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Article: 2024 France railway arson attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A series of arson attacks damages several lines of the French high-speed railway system. (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

pbp 20:44, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I think it's best to have this as a separate blurb as the attacks haven't been linked to the Olympics (though they likely were related). In the news PrecariousWorlds (talk) 21:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Notable-ish but no one was killed or injured and I don't think it's significant enough to be posted
Personisinsterest (talk) 22:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. There is no reason to be linking to a useless, poorly written article about a few arsons when we have an actual article about the transportation that needs to be expanded. The whole point of Wikipedia is to provide summarized information in context, not to rewrite blow-by-blow accounts of each random thing separately every time you refresh the website of the New York Times. Will switch to support if this is redone as an update to Wikipedia content to reflect current events as ITN posts are supposed to be. And as a side note, it would be great if the closer could disregard any !votes about casualties since that's not a metric of significance on Wikipedia. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:03, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If we're talking disregarding votes, maybe yours should be disregarded because you're using it as a soapbox to complain about the condition of a different article pbp 03:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Then you may wish to reread what I said. The only time I mentioned another article was when I suggested a merge target for this one. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not some random accident like a landslide in the boondocks. It's multiple synchronised attacks targeting significant infrastructure of a major nation. It is thus comparable with the attacks on the Nord Stream pipelines or the 9-11 attacks in the US. It seems to have been scheduled for the start of the Olympics but its impact goes beyond that as this is the start of the French holiday season when much of the country plans to travel. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:52, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is thus comparable with the attacks on the Nord Stream pipelines or the 9-11 attacks in the US. What? An attack with no casualties is comparable to an attack with thousands of casualties that led to the War on terror? Gödel2200 (talk) 12:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you're referring to Ethiopia when you say "the boondocks", that doesn't make what's happening there insignificant Dyaquna (talk) 15:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The point is that the sabotage was not a "random thing" or Act of God. It was a coordinated attack in multiple locations. As these things go, it's quite unusual for there to be a synchronised attack in so many locations. 9-11 targeted three locations while this attack targeted five. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:24, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support halting services for over 800K people feels quite notable to me. This is quite a large attack, regardless of the lack of casualties. I understand the Crowdstrike incident is on a way grander scale than this will ever be, but as it is still an event that caused a halting on travel systems, we didn't stop that from being posted from a lack of deaths or injuries. CaptainGalaxy 23:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The attack has no casualties, and the article does not indicate that the impact is incredibly severe. In fact, the only 'impact' listed in the impact section was the British PM having to change his plans. Also the article is barely more than a stub. Gödel2200 (talk) 23:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's a common lead headline today: "Olympics sabotaged ... Hunt for Olympic saboteurs ... Far Left suspected ...". The disruption will continue throughout the weekend and its impact is countrywide -- much greater than some single accident such as the plane crash in Nepal. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Per Andrew and CaptainGalaxy. Centuries123 (talk) 10:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Notable for sure, picked up a lot of coverage initially but doesn't rise to meet many of the secondary principles listed in WP:ITNSIGNIF in my opinion. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic Opening Ceremony

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Article: 2024 Summer Olympics (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Paris, the opening ceremony of the 2024 Summer Olympics begins. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Paris, the 2024 Summer Olympics open after an arson attack on French railways.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Paris, the 2024 Summer Olympics open.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In Paris, the 2024 Summer Olympics open.
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Opening ceremony isn't technically done yet, but I figure it's better to get a little ahead now that it's well underway. DecafPotato (talk) 18:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support but wait. This is certainly a event to report on, but we should wait until the grammatical errors get resolved. MetaTalks (talk) 20:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
its technically "open" after Macron declared it open. MetaTalks (talk) 21:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, notable and the articles are fine Personisinsterest (talk) 22:37, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alternate blurb, if the arson attacks were connected to the Olympics Dyaquna (talk) 23:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I just skimmed a bit of the article and it was nowhere near ready as I immediately noticed several tense and grammatical errors. The article seems to be full of plans which may or may not have actually gone to schedule and it has no reaction or reception section to provide an assessment of what actually happened. Also, as noted below, the news coverage today has focussed on security and sabotage issues such as 2024 France railway arson attack and that seems more interesting. The appalling weather might warrant some attention though. For example,

    Unfortunate that the pre filmed parts of this ceremony were done on a bright, clear day. It is making the jumps from live to video sections jarring in person and presumably on TV too. Rain hammering down now. Worried about the athletes! Three hours of this on a roofless boat and some of them are sleeveless. Going to be a shame to cancel the 100m final because the field was decimated by an outbreak of the sniffles.

I'm still watching and was quite curious about the way they presented "Imagine". I find that we have a remarkably detailed article about piano burning and didn't realise that was a thing. Was that supposed to be the Olympic flame?
And now there's a ghostly horse rider. Curiouser and curiouser... Andrew🐉(talk) 18:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I agree with Andrew that to post this without noting the arson attack just prior would be a problem. But that can be fixed in the blurb. However, the opening ceremony article is nowhere close for what we've seen in the past. If we are going to post that arson article, that also needs expansion. Finally, should the quality improvements delay posting the opening ceremony for some time, we still try to go ahead and post the Olympics to ongoing, along with Chronological summary of the 2024 Summer Olympics, but that latter article is mostly unsourced at this point, which is not good either. --Masem (t) 18:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Masem and @Andrew Davidson, I've added an alt blurb unbolding the opening ceremony article and adding the arson attack, would that be better? DecafPotato (talk) 19:07, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, the event isn't over yet, we've yet to get the reactions and full news coverage and so it's too soon to finalise a blurb. And my objection was to the quality of the article not the blurb. The nominator hasn't made a single edit to the nominated article and so should be disqualified for a false start. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:31, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm rather neutral on whether or not the arson needs to be included in the blurb- it's not as if this was a terrorist attack that led to deaths- but either way, the article is in pretty bad shape and is nowhere near ready to be posted. -- Kicking222 (talk) 19:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose mentioning the arson. The connection to the Games seems dubious at best. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and altblurb2 - proposed new blurb without the arson attack, and without bolding the opening ceremony. This post should be about the start of the Paris Olympics. They've started now. Let's post. Main article is fine. The opening ceremony article can be filled up separately, but is not crucial - nobody participates in the Olympics just for the opening ceremony.Khuft (talk) 20:05, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt2 Oppose placing the arson attack in the blurb, as it does not seem to have had any effects on the opening ceremony. Currently the article for the opening ceremony has major sourcing issues, but we can instead link to the overall article for the olympics. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, but oppose including the arson attacks in the blurb. The opening ceremony took place without any disruptions caused by those attacks (the rain made bigger problems than the attacks). That event should’ve been relevant had it directly affected this one, which is clearly not the case.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT2 but oppose on quality. I don't personally believe the arson attacks to be overly significant, and their effects on the games has been minimal outside of transportation delays. All of the said, the Opening Ceremony article is in brutal shape - multiple orange tags and nowhere near enough prose on the events. The Kip (contribs) 22:37, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT2 and put it in ongoing when it reaches the bottom. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 02:37, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are quite a few sections of tables that lack a single reference. Stephen 03:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I did actually look at this but saw that there are one or more references for those tables in the prose ahead of them (like with the venue section). It would be better if those sources could be repeated in the table header or otherwise some position closer to the tables to be clear where the info is coming from, but the sourcing is there. — Masem (t) 12:51, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt3 Opening article has too many problems so let's just not post it. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality issues (notwithstanding ITNR). Too many CN tags on it. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 12:53, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • support it is hugely IN THE NEWS. not to mention the controversy over the transgender stuff, but that's an aside. then the chronology can be in the ongoing.Sportsnut24 (talk) 20:23, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, we've listed the Olympics and world cup several times in the past and there's plenty of coverage of it. No reason not to list it Desfuria (talk) 23:31, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I will note that I have already added the Olympics as an ongoing on a temporary basis (as that article is fine, see the ongoing nom below) while there's still debate on the blurb and the quality of the opening ceremonies (which has always been posted in the past, and has always been of high quality, I don't know why this is not at that point by this case). Should we post a blurb, then the ongoing should be temporarily removed then. --Masem (t) 23:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question What needs doing at 2024 Summer Olympics opening ceremony to make it post-able? Kingsif (talk) 03:35, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The orange tags need to get resolved. Many statements and sections are missing sources. Natg 19 (talk) 03:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It pains me to say but Oppose. It should be ready by now, but surprisingly isn't. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:28, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Altblurb3 - let's not mention the Opening Ceremony then As it seems we won't be able to solve the issues with the opening ceremony article before this gets stale (and, let's face it, it's Monday now - the opening ceremony was on Friday), why not post just the Summer Olympics article itself? That one seems fine, as it's already featured on Ongoing. Khuft (talk) 15:36, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 25

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RD: Vikramabahu Karunaratne

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Article: Vikramabahu Karunaratne (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Sri Lankan politician, activist and scientist. Titanciwikitalk/contrib 0:58, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Martin Indyk

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Article: Martin Indyk (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Mooonswimmer 22:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose three cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:30, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

pertinent to the ongoing news stuff. i dunno if you mention that on these things.Sportsnut24 (talk) 20:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be happy to give a few pointers if you clarify what it is you're confused about. Bremps... 16:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 24

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RD: Ray Lawler

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Article: Ray Lawler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.watoday.com.au/national/victoria/summer-of-the-seventeenth-doll-playwright-ray-lawler-dies-aged-103-20240726-p5jwxw.html
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian playright, writer of Summer of the Seventeenth Doll HiLo48 (talk) 09:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Works section needs sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Jasper Fire

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No consensus to post. Stephen 23:47, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Jasper wildfire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A wildfire destroys the town of Jasper, Alberta, in Jasper National Park. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, CBC, Toronto Star
Credits:
So far, it appears no one has died due to proactive evacuations, and as such this might not meet ITN's death threshold for disasters. However, Jasper is a UNESCO World Heritage Site, and Canada's second-most prestigious national park--this is like Yosemite burning, destroying the park's infrastructure. The article still needs work, and officials still do not know the full extent of the damage. NorthernFalcon (talk) 20:38, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but Wait I would agree with the significance, but the Jasper article barely mentions the wildfires, and the Wildfire article itself is just a stub... (And minor note: Jasper National Part is a UNESCO World Heritage site, not the town of Jasper itself). Khuft (talk) 21:17, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Given the number of fires up and down the whole PNW, it would better to have an overarching article on these rather than focusing on one. — Masem (t) 21:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. It wasn't the whole town. Footage shows the entire east side intact. It was maybe 20% of the buildings in the town. 104.171.53.110 (talk) 02:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per Masem. It would be better to link to an overarching article for fires in North America. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:07, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per MtPenguinMonster. 66.251.117.188 (talk) 06:10, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per all of the above. This is potentially notable as it has caused mass evacuations, but it's borderline and the standalone article is on shaky grounds. Also note that "death threshold" is just a bludgeon sometimes used to gatekeep the area and shouldn't be given any credibility. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Another summer in the northern hemisphere, another summer of wildfires. So far these are not extraordinary nor have they caused anything that is not unfortunately routine. And the town, as stated above, has not been completely destroyed. _-_Alsor (talk) 06:37, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Albertan here. It was very sad and tragic to hear about the destruction caused by the fire in Jasper. Unfortunately, this is pretty local news and wildfires like this occur every year, and only about a third of the buildings were ruined so its not like the entire town was destroyed. If something like this happened again somewhere more well known like Banff, or if the entire town was decimated, I would support it. Hungry403 (talk) 02:17, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Don't know if I would call this "local news" considering it's even reported in Swedish national news. Yakikaki (talk) 04:36, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Wildfires like this do happen every year, and they haven’t even destroyed the whole town. An overarching article for these types of wildfires would be better. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:C5B3:EA0E:CA4:CDBE (talk) 18:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Leo Burke

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Article: Leo Burke (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sescoops
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article updated and well sourced. It's a GA article too. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:51, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Randy Kehler

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Article: Randy Kehler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Greenfield Recorder
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American pacifist, tax resister, and social justice advocate. Death announced 24 July. Thriley (talk) 21:25, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose I have doubts that this article would even hold up if challenged for deletion given notability, though I know that isn't part of the criteria for RD. Either way the article is a really basic and doesn't establish why this person is any more notable than the other thousands of draft evaders from that era... the article should at least articulate that before it is ready for posting.RachelTensions (talk) 04:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posting something likely not needing a Wikipedia article at all on the main page is not a good idea and can probably stand as its own oppose rationale. Bremps... 07:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kehler meets GNG with press going back decades. Thriley (talk) 14:52, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not sure if I agree - the article and its sources seem to indicate his only real special notability was the squabble with the IRS over taxes, which at least to me falls under WP:BLP1E. The Kip (contribs) 15:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There’s been coverage of him for decades. Plenty of source material exists that could be used to improve the article that isn’t currently used. Thriley (talk) 16:14, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...well? As it stands right now the article does nothing to convey why he was anything notable as someone who evaded the draft and didn't pay his taxes. And for that reason it isn't suitable yet even for RD. RachelTensions (talk) 16:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support once the tag is removed. Nominating a 14 year old BLP for AfD on the occasion of the subject's death seems a least a bit in bad faith. Nevertheless, the voting at this point is a unanimous keep and that is unlikely to change, as the nom is completely baseless. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Typhoon Gaemi

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Article: Typhoon Gaemi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Typhoon Gaemi leaves at least 16 people dead in the Philippines and Taiwan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Typhoon Gaemi leaves at least 76 people dead.
News source(s): CNN, GMA Integrated News,
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Nominator's comments: The typhoon causes flooding across Metro Manila, Philippines, and has garnered widespread news coverage here in the country.

Nepal plane crash

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Article: 2024 Saurya Airlines Bombardier CRJ200 crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Bombardier CRJ-200 crashes during takeoff at Tribhuvan International Airport in Kathmandu, Nepal, killing eighteen on board (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ An airplane crash in Nepal kills eighteen on board.
News source(s): (Reuters)
Credits:
Support but wait Good work on obtaining a free image. Let's see if there are any revelations on why the airplane crashed. Bremps... 06:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Unless a notable cause of the crash is established, I do not think this is notable enough. Airplane crashes are relatively common in Nepal. For precedent, see the Nepal Airlines Flight 183 (which had the same number of fatalities as this crash) nomination from 2014, which was not posted. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Somewhat perplexing calls for a wait until the cause is established. That's not how anything has worked ever, not ITN, not plane crashes. Are we going to keep waiting for the full report to come out in 2026? They've already said they don't know what happened. Why not just straightforward oppose since this is going to be stale way before they are going to say more? Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, what I'm saying is that unless a notable cause of the crash is established, I do not think this should be posted. I have updated my comment to specify this. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Ongoing: 2024 Summer Olympics

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Article: 2024 Summer Olympics (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

Nominator's comments: While the games formally opens on the 26th, the events have started in the last few hours. I think we should get it posted by the 26th so that people who search for the games will find it on the main page. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:42, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Agree with nom that we should try to post it early. Currently the list of non-competitive venues appears to be unsourced. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ongoing and initial blurb Article quality seems good enough for an initial post; will only expand from here. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Article seems to already be in fine shape, agree with nom re: events already underway. The Kip (contribs) 17:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait for the opening ceremony on Friday, which we will blurb per WP:ITNR#Multi-sport_events. Preliminary rounds in a small subset of sports aren't the story here. Modest Genius talk 17:36, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support posting now. I think it's irrelevant that the Opening Ceremony hasn't happened yet - the games are, in fact, ongoing as of now. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:38, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait none of these pre opening events will give final medals, it's just events that have multiple rounds that take more time to complete. Post the opening ceremonies and then when that rolls off, add to ongoing. Masem (t) 17:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also whole this will get to ongoing eventually, we will have four (effectively seven) items in it and will overflow to a third line. We should consider a removal such as the Sudan conflict at least while the Olympics are on there, and then read it afterwards, only as a maintenance issue, not for permanent removal. Masem (t) 18:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the opening ceremony, then it can be posted in ongoing alongside the blurb. Estreyeria (talk) 18:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support posting even before the opening ceremony. The chronological summary is perhaps a better target article.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:43, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ITNR doesn't dictate exactly how we post this, and based on comments above I think it would be acceptable to put the chronological summary into ongoing now, wait to nom/post the opening ceremony on the 26th, and then add the main article to ongoing. And FWIW it's not just preliminary rounds, all of the rugby sevens games except the final will be played before the opening ceremony. Kingsif (talk) 20:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'd actually suggest to run a blurb with the opening ceremony, wait until it rolls off the ITN, and then put it to ongoing. The opening ceremony is a big thing on itself. Provided the article is ok and all that. --Tone 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's what we usually do, right? Kingsif (talk) 22:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, that's usual. Stephen 22:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That’s basically a very bad practice. In case there are very few blurbs to post in the next two weeks, this may not get posted onto ongoing at all. So, this should appear in ongoing independently from the blurb on the opening ceremony.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If we post the opening blurb and no significant number of blurbs come around to knock it out, we can either prematurely send it to ongoing, or change the blurb away from the opening ceremony to just saying they are ongoing. We want a link to the games in the ITN box for the two weeks the games are officially open, it doesn't matter if it's a blurb or ongoing. Masem (t) 23:06, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not convinced by that reasoning at all. The opening ceremony is one thing and the progress of the Olympics is another thing. That's why we should post a link to the games in the blurb on the opening ceremony and a link to the chronological summary in ongoing. Nothing precludes us from doing this. After all, it's the largest recurrent event in the world. Waiting to post onto ongoing is the biggest misservice that we can offer to our readers who wouldn't have a direct link to the event summary on the main page.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is still no reason that we cannot figure out a blurb for the opening ceremonies that includes a link to the games proper and perhaps even to the event summary. — Masem (t) 13:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the Opening Ceremony, then it'll be a support. I understand that it technically is going on currently, but still, the opening ceremony is the "beginning" of the Summer Olympics, even if it isn't official. TomMasterRealTALK 23:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per above. The Opening Ceremony is scheduled to be on the 26th, I think we should wait for that first (despite some Olympic events starting earlier). Officially, the Olympics will start tomorrow, surely this proposed ongoing item can be deferred for (at least) 24 hours more before it gets posted to that section. Vida0007 (talk) 15:23, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just post Not at the moment I am writing this but the admins might be seeing "wait" as the most recent comment by the time the Games actually starts. Bremps... 16:52, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To quote an external source: "There's never been a show like this! Opening ceremony is spectacular" (Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung) Khuft (talk) 20:22, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
YMMV. The New York Times lead headlines are currently: Opening Ceremony Floats Down Seine; Paris Investigates Rail Sabotage The ceremony is being held under rainy skies. Earlier, coordinated attacks disrupted high-speed train links to Paris, delaying over a million travelers. The rail sabotage was carefully planned to cause maximum disruption on what was supposed to be a day of glory for France. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:07, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm looking forward to Los Angeles topping this in 2028 then. Khuft (talk) 21:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ongoing, even if concurrent with a news blurb (which may or may not mention the arson). I don't see a reason why it can't have both at the same time. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 10:20, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Immediate Support. The games have opened with competition already in progress. In fact, the first medals have already been awarded. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 13:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can we get this posted into ongoing? As the above editor said, the games have already started. It seems like the opening ceremony article is in bad shape, so that may not get posted for a while. Natg 19 (talk) 19:10, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have added this article to ongoing, though if the opening ceremony one is improved, then it should be temporarily taken off. However, I have not added the Chronology article at this time as it is in far worse state from a sourcing standpoint (I know it will be filled with results, but the planned events should still be sourced before then). --Masem (t) 19:15, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • I took the time to add the six missing refs (for the pre-opening day summaries) and have added the chronological article as the timeline to the ongoing — Masem (t) 23:02, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Hamzah Haz

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Article: Hamzah Haz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Media Indonesia Bloomberg CGTN
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former Vice President, article is good enough. Tensa Februari (talk) 04:01, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not about whether the death is widely covered, it's about whether the article is up to par. Bremps... 16:29, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 23

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July 23, 2024 (2024-07-23) (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

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Health and environment

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(Closed) Beijing Declaration

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No consensus to post. Stephen 23:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Beijing Declaration (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Fourteen Palestinian factions, including Fatah and Hamas, agree to commit to an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, AP News, DW, NY Times, BBC, Reuters,
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Ainty Painty (talk) 04:44, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, article is in really poor shape. Will switch to support if it's properly cited and the "reactions" section is condensed down into a proper encyclopedic summary of the main points without indiscriminate trivia. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There have been so many such accords that we have a category for them: Intra-Palestinian peace efforts. This one seems unlikely to be more successful and has no concrete timetable. The long list of factions makes amusing reading though -- see precedent... Andrew🐉(talk) 08:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It is unclear what will make this agreement more than just an agreement, and actually have real effects. Also, the article is basically a big list of reactions, with a bunch of unsourced statements. What we should post is if the envisioned government actually forms. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. Article is mostly reactions at this point, and this isn't the first time there's been an attempt at a unity government. The Kip (contribs) 22:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Lewis H. Lapham

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Article: Lewis H. Lapham (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

The editor of Harper's Magazine from 1976 until 1981, and from 1983 until 2006. Founder of Lapham's Quarterly. Death announced 24 July. Thriley (talk) 18:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Hottest day in modern history

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In something that climate change will ironically rob us of, WP:SNOW. The Kip (contribs) 17:31, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 in climate change (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ July 21, 2024 is declared the hottest day in the modern era by the Copernicus Climate Change Service, with an average surface air temperature of 17.09 degrees Celsius (62.74 degrees Fahrenheit). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ July 21, 2024 is declared the hottest day in the modern era by the Copernicus Climate Change Service, with an average surface air temperature of 17.09 degrees Celsius (62.74 degrees Fahrenheit).
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Copernicus Climate Change Service declares July 21 the hottest day in modern history, with an average surface air temperature of 17.09 degrees Celsius (62.74 degrees Fahrenheit).
News source(s): https://www.reuters.com/world/world-registers-hottest-day-ever-recorded-july-21-monitor-says-2024-07-23/
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GeorgeMemulous (talk) 22:00, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, oppose on quality. The hottest day in modern history so far! Sadly, it's pretty much a yearly occurrence by now, so I wouldn't be surprised if it gets discussed for ITN/R. Last year's record was mostly supported, although it didn't end up being posted mostly because of quality issues. This time, the article hasn't been updated yet (and isn't linked in the blurb), so that should be done first. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If this is going to be a yearly occurrence, I would oppose posting for that reason. Hottest day ever is merely trivia. Natg 19 (talk) 23:35, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't think any of the three linked articles are suitable for bolding. Bremps... 23:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Without action, a record likely to broken within the year, and its not appropriate to keep posting that over and over. Obviously critical for trying to promote the need to fight climate change and the like, but its also along the lines of fearmongering; if we are going to post stories like this, I would rather go for anything that qualifies a much longer period of time (like I'm sure there were stories of 2023 being the hottest year on record). --Masem (t) 00:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose — Per Masem. I object to including any climate blurbs because it is a continuous record; Earth is warming every single day, month, and year. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 05:38, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I get the point that it's a continuous record and climate changes every day, but I'm wondering what kind of news related to climate change we should post. There are tons of news in reliable sources on the topic virtually on a daily basis that we don't post. At the end, if it's really a never-ending ongoing story, just post it there and keep it for good. According to the mainstream science, the estimated global losses as a result of the climate change are many times greater than the effects of the military conflicts currently posted onto ongoing combined. Another option is to put a box on the main page like we did for the COVID-19 pandemic, which would include links to relevant articles related to climate change.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – The update to the article is insignificant. I'm honestly hoping that at some point we can feature a climate change-related update like this, but we'd need a few paragraphs talking about why the specific date/week/month is so standout. Combined with a deadly heatwave in many regions I can see this work, for example. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:41, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. This record is likely to be broken again within the year. In addition, the update to the article in question is one line. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Monday, July 22, is now the hottest day on record, surpassing Sunday. CBS News Johndavies837 (talk) 08:42, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The content's obviously not up to scratch, but I reject the notion we shouldn't post this merely because we expect to have to do it again in a year. That doesn't stop us posting the Superbowl, or the Nobel Prizes, or the Academy Awards every year. Shorter-term increases - as we just saw for the 22nd - are likely to be soon enough that they could be handled with a blurb update. —Cryptic 11:46, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • If we were reporting that 2023 was the hottest year on record, and then the same for 2024, and 2025, that would be less an issue. Single day records however could be more frequent (as Johndavies points out, this story is already outdated) and can also reflect spikes in weather patterns. That's why a long-term average, that normalizes out all such spikes, is far better to be a metric we consider. (Also, those recurring stories are because there are extensive articles that are developed for each occurance, while this is just an update to an existing article) — Masem (t) 12:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Single-day records tend to be clustered around July at the peak of northern hemisphere summer (something about having more landmasses and less thermal inertia in the northern hemisphere, I believe?), so they won't tend to happen all throughout the year. The last one was also in July 2023, for that matter. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      But you would also have "hottest <specific date> on record" type of news, like hypothetically an average of 100+ degF worldwide on Jan 21st. Which still can be seen as a potential statistical anomaly. If we are going to post these, the more conclusive story is a record annual average temperature which takes out the spikes and dips. Masem (t) 12:39, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oppose per Masem. Estreyeria (talk) 13:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As others have said, this record will likely not stand for long, and the article does not have a large enough update. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:38, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as the record has already been broken (the very next day). Source: https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/world-breaks-hottest-day-record-second-day-row-2024-07-24/ Jiaminglimjm (talk) 14:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I believe it'd be notable if it ever goes in the other direction (down). Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Climate change is an important topic, but the real issue is the trend, not single-day records. We've posted the IPCC reports as important studies of the changing climate, which I agreed with. Record days / weeks / months are by their very nature outliers and with the overall heating trend they'll be repeatedly broken. I don't think ITN should be posting numerous blurbs saying essentially the same thing. There could maybe be a case for hottest year, because that would enforce at least 12 months between blurbs, which is more manageable. But even then, I find it difficult to imagine what the article updates might be. Other than stating the record, what more can be said? Modest Genius talk 15:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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