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The source linked to for the "60th anniversary events" does not talk about "events"
[edit]It talks about one small event primarily composed of former IZL members, and Netanyahu is misquoted.
George Marantz
[edit]Should the article mention George Marantz, referring the Haaretz article[1] and/or its republished text[2]? Mcljlm (talk) 02:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- It's an interesting story but, without any further indication that it might be true or any reliable source confirming that the story itself was of historical importance, I think it is too fringe. As an aside (original research warning) the idea that the Hagana gave money to the Irgun to carry out the attack is perfectly plausible but the amount of 70,000 pounds is impossibly high. I don't believe the Hagana had such large amounts to give away (equivalent to over 3 million pounds today). Zerotalk 04:10, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- One interesting aspect of the Haaretz article is that it has a photograph of the hotel, likely taken from the YMCA, as the bomb went off. The article includes a photo of the document in the Haganah archives, which it might be worthwhile having translated. ← ZScarpia 20:37, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
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Mirror newspaper: eyewitness account published the day after the bombing.
[edit]On the occasion of the UK's Prince William staying at the King David Hotel in 2018, the Mirror published an article which had the report on the bombing published the day afterwards appended. Journalist Barbara Broad was entering the hotel as the bomb went off. Of particular interest in her report is the inclusion, at the end, of what Emil Christian, the telephone operator at the hotel who received the bomb warning, told her.
Mirror - Steve Myall - King David Hotel bombing killed 91 and struck at heart of British rule in Palestine - now Prince William is staying there, 26 June 2018: Daily Mirror reporter Barbara Broad was walking in through the hotel entrance when the bomb exploded. ... In an hotel telephone booth I talked with Emil Christian, Arab telephone operator who received a telephone message from one of the terrorists a few moments before the explosion. "A voice suddenly came on the line saying, 'The building has been mined. You have four minutes to escape,'" Emil told me. The line then went dead while the operator tried vainly to give warning in time to the hotel military headquarters and secretariat.
← ZScarpia 20:48, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
"Warnings" subsection
[edit]Someone with authority to edit this article certainly needs to fix the link to "Palestine Post" in this subsection as it links not to the predecessor paper to The Jerusalem Post but rather to the current postal organisation servicing The Territories. This is a fairly egregious error. 72.105.77.191 (talk) 03:14, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
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Add this to the category of Attacks on buildings and structures in Jerusalem as seen here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Attacks_on_buildings_and_structures_in_Jerusalem HistoryResearcher101 (talk) 18:39, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, don't see a reason why not. Done. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:13, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
"Terrorist attack"?
[edit]"The King David Hotel bombing was a terrorist attack"? From past discussions in Wikipedia I was told that the official policy of Wikipedia is not to take sides and identify an attack or organization as terroristic, which is why Hamas and Second Intifada are not classified as such. Is there an explanation for these double standards? 2A00:A040:197:1220:9095:D57C:54E5:D02F (talk) 12:32, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- All of those pages make reference to terrorism, so I'm not sure where this double standard claim is coming from. However, in this particular instances, the terroristic nature of the act is particularly well attested in reliable sources, our go-to, including tertiary ones such as the Encyclopedia of terrorism. This page also has a section that explains at length why the act was considered terroristic, alongside Irgun itself, which was condemned by all the authorities involved.
"Irgun was branded a terrorist organisation by Britain, the 1946 Zionist Congress and the Jewish Agency."
Iskandar323 (talk) 13:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC) - Lots of attacks are called terrorist attacks on WP, so you are mistaken (just for example, Afula mall bombing, but lots more). The Second Intifada wasnt a terrorist attack, and the views on Hamas are wider than "terroristic". nableezy - 14:20, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- I recommend taking a look at this article's talkpage archives. ← ZScarpia 19:41, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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