Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion

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Please do not nominate your user page (or subpages of it) for deletion here. Instead, add {{db-userreq}} at the top of any such page you no longer wish to keep; an administrator will then delete the page. See Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion for more information.

Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.

Filtered versions of the page are available at

Information on the process

What may be nominated for deletion here:

Pages not covered by other XFD venues, including pages in these namespaces: Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText: and the various Talk: namespaces
Userboxes (regardless of namespace)
Pages in the File namespace that have a local description page but no local file (if there is a local file, Wikipedia:Files for discussion is the right venue)
Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XfD venue.

Requests to undelete pages deleted after discussion here, and debate whether discussions here have been properly closed, both take place at Wikipedia:Deletion review, in accordance with Wikipedia's undeletion policy.

Before nominating a page for deletion

Before nominating a page for deletion, please consider these guidelines:

Deleting pages in your own userspace	If you want to have your own userpage or a draft you created deleted, there is no need to list it here; simply tag it with {{db-userreq}} or {{db-u1}}. If you wish to clear your user talk page or sandbox, just blank it.
Duplications in draftspace?	Duplications in draftspace are usually satisfactorily fixed by redirection. If the material is in mainspace, redirect the draft to the article, or a section of the article. If multiple draft pages on the same topic have been created, tag them for merging. See WP:SRE.
Deleting pages in other people's userspace	Consider explaining your concerns on the user's talk page with a personal note or by adding `{{subst:Uw-userpage}} ~~~~` to their talk page. This step assumes good faith and civility; often the user is simply unaware of the guidelines, and the page can either be fixed or speedily deleted using {{db-userreq}}. Take care not to bite newcomers – sometimes using the {{subst:welcome}} or {{subst:welcomeg}} template and a pointer to WP:UP would be best first. Problematic userspace material is often addressed by the User pages guidelines including in some cases removal by any user or tagging to clarify the content or to prevent external search engine indexing. (Examples include copies of old, deleted, or disputed material, problematic drafts, promotional material, offensive material, inappropriate links, 'spoofing' of the MediaWiki interface, disruptive HTML, invitations or advocacy of disruption, certain kinds of images and image galleries, etc) If your concern relates to these areas consider these approaches as well, or instead of, deletion. User pages about Wikipedia-related matters by established users usually do not qualify for deletion. Articles that were recently deleted at AfD and then moved to userspace are generally not deleted unless they have lingered in userspace for an extended period of time without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD, or their content otherwise violates a global content policy such as our policies on Biographies of living persons that applies to any namespace.
Policies, guidelines and process pages	Established pages and their sub-pages should not be nominated, as such nominations will probably be considered disruptive, and the ensuing discussions closed early. This is not a forum for modifying or revoking policy. Instead consider tagging the policy as {{historical}} or redirecting it somewhere. Proposals still under discussion generally should not be nominated. If you oppose a proposal, discuss it on the policy page's discussion page. Consider being bold and improving the proposal. Modify the proposal so that it gains consensus. Also note that even if a policy fails to gain consensus, it is often useful to retain it as a historical record, for the benefit of future editors.
WikiProjects and their subpages	It is generally preferable that inactive WikiProjects not be deleted, but instead be marked as {{WikiProject status\|inactive}}, redirected to a relevant WikiProject, or changed to a task force of a parent WikiProject, unless the WikiProject was incompletely created or is entirely undesirable. WikiProjects that were never very active and which do not have substantial historical discussions (meaning multiple discussions over an extended period of time) on the project talk page should not be tagged as {{historical}}; reserve this tag for historically active projects that have, over time, been replaced by other processes or that contain substantial discussion (as defined above) of the organization of a significant area of Wikipedia. Before deletion of an inactive project with a founder or other formerly active members who are active elsewhere on Wikipedia, consider userfication. Notify the main WikiProject talk page when nominating any WikiProject subpage, in addition to standard notification of the page creator.
Alternatives to deletion	Normal editing that doesn't require the use of any administrator tools, such as merging the page into another page or renaming it, can often resolve problems. Pages in the wrong namespace (e.g. an article in Wikipedia namespace), can simply be moved and then tag the redirect for speedy deletion using {{db-g6\|rationale= it's a redirect left after a cross-namespace move}}. Notify the author of the original article of the cross-namespace move.
Alternatives to MfD	Speedy deletion If the page clearly satisfies a "general" or "user" speedy deletion criterion, tag it with the appropriate template. Be sure to read the entire criterion, as some do not apply in the user space.

Please familiarize yourself with the following policies

Wikipedia:Deletion policy – our deletion policy that describes how we delete things by consensus
Wikipedia:Deletion process – our guidelines on how to list anything for deletion
Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – a how-to guide whose protocols on discussion format and shorthands also apply here
Wikipedia:Project namespace – our guidelines on "Wikipedia" namespace pages
Wikipedia:User page – our guidelines on user pages and user subpages
Wikipedia:Userboxes – our guideline on userboxes

How to list pages for deletion

Shortcut

WP:MFDHOWTO

Please check the aforementioned list of deletion discussion areas to check that you are in the right area. Then follow these instructions:

Instructions on listing pages for deletion:

To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process: (replace PageName with the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted)

Note: Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion with a notification to a registered user to complete the process.

I.

Edit PageName:

Enter the following text at the top of the page you are listing for deletion:

{{mfd|1={{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}}}
for a second or subsequent nomination use {{mfdx|2nd}}

or

{{mfd|GroupName}}
if nominating several similar related pages in an umbrella nomination. Choose a suitable name as GroupName and use it on each page.

If the nomination is for a userbox or similarly transcluded page, use {{subst:mfd-inline}} so as to not mess up the formatting for the userbox.

Use {{subst:mfd-inline|GroupName}} for a group nomination of several related userboxes or similarly transcluded pages.

Please include in the edit summary the phrase
Added MfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
replace PageName with the name of the page that is up for deletion.
Please don't mark your edit summary as a minor edit.
Check the "Watch this page" box if you would like to follow the page in your watchlist. This may help you to notice if your MfD tag is removed by someone.
Save the page

II.

Create its MfD subpage.

The resulting MfD box at the top of the page should contain the link "this page's entry"

Click that link to open the page's deletion discussion page.
Insert this text:

{{subst:mfd2| pg={{subst:#titleparts:{{subst:PAGENAME}}||2}}| text=Reason why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~
replacing Reason... with your reasons why the page should be deleted and sign the page. Do not substitute the pagename, as this will occur automatically.

Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate.
Please use an edit summary such as Creating deletion discussion page for [[PageName]]
replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
Save the page.

III.

Add a line to MfD.

Follow this edit link and at the top of the list add a line:

{{subst:mfd3| pg=PageName}}
Put the page's name in place of "PageName".

Include the discussion page's name in your edit summary like
Added [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
Save the page.
If nominating a page that has been nominated before, use the page's name in place of "PageName" and add

{{priorxfd|PageName}}
in the nominated page deletion discussion area to link to the previous discussions and then save the page using an edit summary such as
Added [[Template:priorxfd]] to link to prior discussions.

If nominating a page from someone else's userspace, notify them on their main talk page.
For other pages, while not required, it is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the miscellany that you are nominating. To find the main contributors, look in the page history or talk page of the page and/or use TDS' Article Contribution Counter or Wikipedia Page History Statistics. For your convenience, you may add
{{subst:mfd notice|PageName}} ~~~~
to their talk page in the "edit source" section, replacing PageName with the pagename. Please use an edit summary such as
Notice of deletion discussion at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
replacing PageName with the name of the nomination page you are proposing for deletion.
If the user has not edited in a while, consider sending the user an email to notify them about the MfD if the MfD concerns their user pages.
If you are nominating a WikiProject, please post a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council, in addition to the project's talk page and the talk pages of the founder and active members.

Administrator instructions

XFD backlog
V	Jul	Aug	Total
CfD	0	50	50
TfD	1	4	5
MfD	0	2	2
FfD	0	4	4
RfD	5	83	88
AfD	0	0	0

Administrator instructions for closing and relisting discussions can be found here.

Archived discussions

A list of archived discussions can be located at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates.

Current discussions

Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.

August 24, 2024

Wikipedia:Mediation Committee/Nominations/Thebirdlover

I nominated this 12 years ago and it was closed as a speedy keep. The fact that this is not historically useful to the workings of the encyclopedia plus the Mediation Committee since closing up shop should justify this page being deleted. Thebirdlover (talk) 21:30, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Chaetodipus/mentor/2

Has not been edited in over a decade other than moves and provides no useful purpose to the encyclopedia. Plus the mentee requests deletion. Thebirdlover (talk) 21:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 21, 2024

Wikipedia:WikiProject Noongar

Wikipedia:WikiProject Noongar has 5 talk page disscussions, 3 are automated and for the remaning two they were never replied to by anyone. This project has never been active. Since Noongar are indigenous Australians, there really is no reason to have another project when Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of Australia exists. Gonnym (talk) 12:59, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep preserve, lots of activity around Noongar topics with discussions taking place on articles more than the project page. Number of discussion on a project page a poor criteria when the project covers 1,000's of articles Gnan garra 13:36, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No one is arguing that any articles regarding Noongar should be deleted, the argument was that the project itself is and was always dead, as evidence by the extreme lack of any activity on the project pages, including yours. Gonnym (talk) 15:06, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The project was not always dead, but many people suffer racial attacks trying to work on content so editors were driven away by the community. Contributors to noongar content and of noongar knowledge are driven into hiding even now, racial attacks on Indigenous Australian communities is not a sexy bias thats gets global attention. Wikimedia Australia still reports condiserable issues with access of accurate Indigenous Australian knowledge including global events to favour colonial perspective over Indigenous ones. The Project serves a very important way for those editors to contact people like me who are willing to stand out on the these matters. Arvhicing and redirectings isnt ideal and just adds another barrier to participation. Gnan garra 08:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of the "two [talk page discussions that] were never replied to by anyone", one of them ("categorizing Noongar people") explicitly asks editors to join a discussion on another page (to avoid fragmenting the discussion), which they did. So it is incorrect to say that the post was never replied to. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:36, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do whatever is done to inactive WikiProjects: There is a talk page archive at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Noongar/Archive 8 (which is not listed on the main talk page) which shows that there was at least some degree of collaborative activity years ago. This isn't a dead-on-arrival project but just one that has become inactive. As such it should not be deleted, but instead be archived or marked historical or marked inactive or whatever is done to such inactive projects. Curbon7 (talk) 22:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I've moved the archive to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Noongar/Archive 1 and fixed the archiving instructions on the main talk page. I have no opinion on what should happen to this project (but I live in a geographical area covered by it). Graham87 (talk) 04:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relevant process: Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide § Dealing with inactive WikiProjects Mitch Ames (talk) 01:34, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mark historical or Redirect to Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of Australia - This project is completely dormant at present. In the year 2023, there were 141 pagesview of the project page; that is annual pageviews, or approximately 0.5 daily pageviews. Most of the work of a WikiProject is done on its project talk page. In 2023, there were 11 pageviews of the project talk page; that is total annual pageviews. One of those was a mass message, and at least two of them were for archival. In 2024, there were 20 pageviews, and some of them were for archival. Looking back, the project was lightly used between 2015, when it was created, and 2017, and has been essentially unused from 2018 on. Maybe we need a discussion about what should be done with dormant WikiProjects when. This project was never very active, because it always should have been a task force, but was not completely unused. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:54, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Project serves a very important way for Noongar editors to contact people like me who are willing to stand out on the these matters. Archiving and redirecting isnt ideal and just adds another barrier to participation. Gnan garra 08:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and mark as inactive. The deletion arguments in the nom are spurious. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:45, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 19, 2024

Wikipedia:Requested lists (2nd nomination)

This page for requesting the creation of lists in articlespace has been largely ignored; there are requests on this page which have been pending for 12 years. It would be better to delete this page and redirect it to Wikipedia:Requested articles instead, as the subpages corresponding to that process appear to be somewhat better noticed. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blank and mark historical: As is done with such redundant/inactive project pages, pointing to WP:Requested articles through the comment parameter of {{historical}}. Curbon7 (talk) 22:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with marking as historical. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 03:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Home Living/Article Guidelines

No useful content. This page was written in 2009 and has gotten no attention since. There's nothing here worth keeping. Daask (talk) 15:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are not listed as a member of the WikiProject. Why are you trying to manage a WikiProject that you are not a member of?

If the WikiProject is inactive, maybe it should be archived wholesale. Selective archiving by deletion is not a good idea.

How did you come across this page? SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:32, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Historical page of an inactive WikiProject. There's nothing here worth discussing.—Alalch E. 15:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The nominator appears to be ragpicking. Maybe the WikiProject should be marked historical. Is that what SmokeyJoe means by archived, or do they have a different concept of archival? If the nominator had some reason to come across the page other than ragpicking, maybe they should explain, or maybe not. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:53, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Home Living/Collaboration

No useful content. This page and its talk page have never been used. Daask (talk) 15:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Doesn't matter.—Alalch E. 17:41, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Maybe the WikiProject should be marked historical, but that is not what we are here for. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 17, 2024

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Terminator (fanfic)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 23:47, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Terminator (fanfic)

Okay, so quite a while ago I nominated this for speedy deletion but changed my mind since it was just a draft. I am doing a normal deletion discussion, as I have decided that this obviously not an actual thing. Nowhere can I find evidence for Eiichiro Oda creating a show called Terminator. This article, as far as I can tell, is a blatant hoax. It is made even more suspicious as it has the word "fanfic" in the title. Gaismagorm (talk) 19:43, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

whoops, I think speedy deletion was actually the right choice, probably should've read Wikipedia:Drafts are not checked for notability or sanity before submitting this. My bad! Gaismagorm (talk) 19:46, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as G3. No results for "Dawn Island Arc" "Terminator" on Google which leads me to believe it is a hoax. I would've just left it if it weren't still being actively edited. C F A 💬 23:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral at this time, only because I am assuming good faith that good-faith editors think that this is a hoax. Otherwise I would have said Weak Keep. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:26, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: as a probable hoax. As it is being actively edited, it is a good idea to bring it to MfD for deletion as a hoax. SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete hoax.—Alalch E. 15:30, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Old business

Everything below this point is old business; the 7-day review period that began 00:15, 18 August 2024 (UTC) ended today on 25 August 2024. Editors may continue to add comments until the discussion is closed but they should keep in mind that the discussion below this marker may be closed at any time without further notice. Discussions that have already been closed will be removed from the page automatically by Legobot and need no further action.

August 13, 2024

Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's Premier League (cricket)

Unnecessary WikiProject that was created in spite of the objections of a number of users at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 94#Wikiproject WPL notice. As predicted there, this WikiProject has immediately become dormant, because it is a tournament that runs for less than 1 month a year (and so WikiProject will be dormant for most of the rest of the year). Women's Premier League (cricket) is a cricket tournament, and so a breakaway WikiProject from WP:WikiProject Cricket is not required. Note: I do not support any of the existing breakaway WikiProjects (WP:IPL, WP:PSL, WP:BPL, WP:LPL etc), and will be considering nominating them for merging with WP:CRIC too. As per WP:OSE, the existence of these other WikiProjects is not a reason to keep this one. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Joseph and also, accept that I made a mistake as discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 94#Wikiproject WPL notice. I have been thinking about this for a while and was actually going to make a proposal this weekend, which would've been for these WikiProjects to be superseded by respective taskforces of WP:CRIC. Current WikiProjects can be renamed and reworked into new taskforces as shown below.

Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have just started a discussion about these taskforces at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket#Merge WikiProjects back into this project, and would personally be more than happy for WPL to have a representative task force. (I was drafting the text for that discussion before I saw Vestrian24Bio's reply here, but agree with what they have said). Please anyone feel free to contribute there. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:55, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Joseph2302 just summed up what's wrong with Wikipedia as a whole with the statement because it is a tournament that runs for less than 1 month a year (and so WikiProject will be dormant for most of the rest of the year). There's a shit-ton more to "the sum total of human knowledge" than merely regurgitating yesterday's headlines and trending topics. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 19:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the nom's opening statement. Recreate if there is consensus to add it as a taskforce.—Alalch E. 15:24, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 10, 2024

User:MilkDaddy321/sandbox

Spam page Andy Dingley (talk) 14:49, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral at this time. We should not be encouraging ragpicking, or the reviewing of new drafts to delete. This is a biography of a living person with no reliable sources, and would be a candidate for deletion in its present state. But with new drafts, which the originator might (even if it is unlikely) be about the improve, do not bite the newbies applies. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep: It was just created yesterday. They may well have been working on it until the deletion notice popped up. I agree, I can't find any sources that would establish notability, but deleting it seems excessively harsh. C F A 💬 02:22, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Move to draft and let the creator continue expanding it, if they don't it can then be deleted after x amount of months. No valid reason for deletion. –Davey2010^Talk 17:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Unsourced BLP.—Alalch E. 15:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No point in this page's continued existence. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closed discussions

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates