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William Ely Hill (1887-1962) - Illustrator, created artwork for the book covers for F. Scott Fitzgerald and had a regular entry in the New York tribune along with being published on numerous occasions.
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Jubileeclipman (talk·contribs) I am interested in taking on UK celebrities with articles that are stubs or otherwise non-standard. Entirely rewrote Fearne Cotton to raise standard and remove fansite tag. I am working on Holly Willoughby which was merely a list plus trivia. Will also work on musicians, all genre, living or dead.
Notability not established with significant sources. Prod removal claimed "artworks are usually accepted with one good source" – besides this being completely false, the single citation has only a single sentence on it and is not a good source toward GNG at all. The only sources I can find are routine data generic to any painting and no substantive coverage about the piece. Reywas92Talk13:39, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Portraits of the presidents: the National Portrait Gallery pp. 14-15 (p. 34): "The Missouri-born artist George Caleb Bingham painted the original version of this portrait in the spring of 1844 in his temporary hut-like studio situated at the bottom of Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. Bingham would later gain much acclaim for his depictions of life on the transMississippi frontier. At the moment, however, he was an unproven quantity, and Adams’s willingness to sit for him stemmed largely from the fact that Bingham was sharing his studio with painter John Cranch, who was an Adams kinsman."
Portraits of John Quincy Adams and his wife (pp. 231-235): "The third example catalogued by Bloch (Fig. 100) is considerably different from the other two but undoubtedly derived from one of them. Adams is shown, turned slightly to his right and looking to the viewer's left." (And so on)
A Pioneer Preacher.St. Louis Globe-Democrat, 1910-12-11: "Of these the one of John Quincy Adams, president of the United States, is probably the most famous. It was painted on a slab of walnut wood."
the article should be expanded (I'm not an expert on painting but I may make a go at extending it sometime... looks like it's been expanded with different sources than I found). Skynxnex (talk) 15:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The sources used in the article come from multiple books and two different news organiations. In conjunction with others mentioned by Skynxnex, this article has enough coverage to meet notability. Demt1298 (talk) 16:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - at first glance she appears notable, but I will look deeper into the sources, as well as potential sources in a BEFORE search within the next few days before iVoting. It appears there are several SPA's who have worked on the article, however, that may or may not mean it's an autobio, which while strongly frowned upon, is not forbidden - if the person is notable. It may have influenced the neutrality of the article, so if it turns out that they meet notability criteria and the article is kept, it may need to be cleaned up. Netherzone (talk) 23:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not finding this professor and art critic notable per WP:Nacademic nor WP:NAUTHOR. The current sourcing consists of two press releases and a listing that is a simple name check. Part of a group of articles created to promote the "Empathic Movement". Netherzone (talk) 03:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All right, I'll bite, this article is probably not notable. The refbombing makes it really hard to assess the quality of the sources, but even then, it seems most coverage is either WP:ROUTINE or about the movement he founded, empathism. Allan Nonymous (talk) 12:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Many of the sources are local, and many are written by followers/adherents/members of his so-called "cultural movement", Empathism, who have signed his "manifesto", therefore are not independent.
Delete - As I'm slogging through the 94 ref-bombed citations I am finding that many of these sources are user-submitted content, blogs, things written by his Empathism adherents and members, and some sources don't mention him at all. The article is bloated with content supported in this way, and I do not think it should remain in the encyclopedia, per WP:PROMO by the two now-blocked sockpuppets (see: [9] and [10]). Also WP:TNT, and WP:NOTADVERTISING may apply. Netherzone (talk) 22:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. For full disclosure I was recently heavily involved in both the ANI thread and the SPI which resulted in the socks being blocked. However, I agree with the positions taken by Allan Nonymous and Netherzone above. The fact that the equivalent article was deleted on Italian Wikipedia on notability grounds is, I suspect, a relevant consideration here. Axad12 (talk) 03:28, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — maybe if this were started from scratch by impartial editors it could amount to something, but as things stand, it’s irremediably tainted by promotional spam. — BiruitorulTalk12:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I do not know what this editor(s) did so bad, but I think that this profile od Menotti Lerro, also born as a draft accepted, did not need spam to be encyclopedic. I see academic monographies dedicated to the Author. A lot of relevant articles "Poesia" international magazine more times since 2003 (therefore 17 years before his movement), and articles written by Roberto Carifi, Nuovi Argomenti main Italian literary magazine, Avvenire by Maurizio Cucchi who wrote also on La Stampa in 2006. The author developed Cilento Poetry Prize financed by Italian Ministry of Culture for 140.500 Euro (seems very relevant thing to me...), his prize, was written in the page, has been now given to the Nobel Prize Jon Fosse who did not adhere to the movement... Same in the Movement there is the other Nobel Prize Olga Tokarczuk but she did not receive the prize (so did not adhered for this...). His movement is published in Academic volume The Empathic Movement (CSP: 2023). The same movement started in 2020 while the prize started 2017 (therefore it is not true that Lerro was convincing authors giving them the prize... at the least no in the first 3 years and no Jon Fosse, because he did not adhered, who is pretty relevant author and example, I guess. The author taught in Universities and has 4 academic degrees (MA from UK and PhD) and he is author of both: academic and creative volumes (around 40). I really do not understand why he did not earn to be on the free encyclopedy... Maybe the editor(s) did mistake (I do not see the real reason for them, but you should maybe to be a bit more open about the author himself...Heremsun (talk) 16:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)— Heremsun (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
@Heremsun, welcome, it's interesting that out of the blue on your very first edit of WP, you would find this AfD to make your very first edit. Please tell us how that coincidence occurred. You sound a bit familiar, have you other accounts? Netherzone (talk) 16:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Seems to be a WP:TNT case right enough. I thought because he was poet but looked at a whole bunch of the references (not the whole first block though) and seems to be non-notable. Which is unfortunate really. If it wasn't empathism and the concerted effort to stuff it full of crap along with the several articles I came across mentioning the term during NPP sprint, I suspect there could be enough for a wee stub as a poet. These directed action gangs on here turn a lot of people off. Its unfortunate. scope_creepTalk10:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TNT. It’s so poorly written, designed, formatted, and duplicative (especially references) that, even if an argument could be made that he’s notable, the article would have to be written from scratch. If the subject paid for this crap, then he was scammed. Bearian (talk) 19:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fails GNG. The article is currently an amalgamation of primary sources and non-notable pictures. The only secondary sources are those that discuss Turing himself; this material is already discussed in the main Turing machine article, which also contains pictures of physical implementations. The primary sources are not important enough to merge into the main article. My PROD was previously removed. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 19:53, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As argued above, this is an example where an article with this title (or one like it) could conceivably exist, but the existing content is not suitable either as an article or as a starting point for one. XOR'easter (talk) 21:48, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Another article on a non-notable artist and professor from a "walled garden"-type series of articles promoting the "members" of Menotti Lerro's "movement/manifesto", Empathism and his New Manifesto of Arts. The subject of this article does not meet WP:GNG, all the sources are primary/connected except the Milano Today source that simple name-checks him in a mention. As an academic, he fails WP:NACADEMIC as he has a h-index of zero on Google Scholar and Scopus, and all I could find was an article written by Lerro about his own (Lerro's) so-called Empathic movement. I beleive this is WP:PROMO and should be deleted. Bringing it here for the community to decide. Netherzone (talk) 01:33, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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This article on an Italian artist is part of a sort-of "walled garden" of articles on artists and academics affiliated with Menotti Lerro's so-called movement, Empathism and who signed his manifesto. The subject of the article does not meet WP:GNG as the sources are all primary sources except, perhaps one, however that may be a press release. Fails WP:NARTIST. The article claims he was in the Venice Bienale 3 times, altho this could not be verified by the Venice Bienale itself [11]], so perhaps he was in one of the satellite shows but not represented in the actual Bienale. As an academic he fails WP:NACADEMIC, as there is an h-index score of zero on Google Scholar and Scopus I found a few things he wrote, but they were not cited by others. Bringing it here for the community to decide. Netherzone (talk) 01:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Changing vote to Delete, per nomination. This does look like a cookie-cutter article springing from Empathism. Leaving that aside, I see him in ALK online, and two exhibitions. I cannnot, however, find RS for the claim that he was at the Venice Biennale three times, unless the source given https://www.accademiavirtuosi.it/accademici/biovirtuoso.php?id=20 is to be trusted. Perhaps I am searching the internet incorrectly, but I thought the Biennale was documented well by the Biennale. He has been quoted in the volume by Vittorio Sgarbi (edited by), La scultura del Novecento in Italia, in Enciclopedia Universale dell'Arte (Mondadori: 1990); in Gillo Dorfles, Ultime tendenze nell'arte oggi (Feltrinelli: 1999) and in Vittorio Sgarbi (edited by), Lo Stato dell’Arte / Campania 54 Biennale di Venezia (Skira publishing: 2011). is just a weird claim sentence. WP:CIR. Not sure what to do about this one.--WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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While the webcomics that are part of the alliance are notable, the alliance itself doesn't appear to have received significant coverage in reliable sources; I was only able to find mentions. The article was previously kept at an AfD (well, VfD), but that was back in 2004 when standards were very different. toweli (talk) 10:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Besides a listing in the colofon of Webcomics (2005), I got nothing. The sources in the article aren't particularly reliable either, so there's nothing for us to say on Dumbrella I'm afraid. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 15:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Merge or delete? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit13:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to the existing relying on a single source and vagueness issues (likely due to translation), the information in the article could easily be included onto the existing articles – DIN 1451, Austria (typeface), Tern (typeface) and Road signs in Austria – with the provision of sources, weakening the article's basis.
Deletion was objected, a merged was proposed instead. However, it is not possible to redirect one article to 3 others. Created a topic at WikiProject Typography over 4 months ago with no response. The article has no notability on its own, and is poorly written/explained. EthanL13 | talk22:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is covered in DIN 1451 in more detail than is here. Nothing in that article gives me the impression that a separate article on DIN 1451 Engschrift would be needed. I did search and Engschrift is always defined together with DIN 1451. Lamona (talk) 02:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Already PROD'd so not eligible for Soft Deletion, Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!23:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to DIN 1451, by condensing the Austria section into a single sentence and placing it under DIN_1451#Usage_examples (this is sourced - the article's only source refers to this). There is certainly no justification for a standalone article, as the target article provides better coverage for every other aspect. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe a disambiguation would be the way to go, given the several different types where the term is accepted as a variant, and the fact that it also represents the original German term for shorthand [12]. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:05, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: We now have several closure suggestions including Delete, Merge and Redirect with different target articles mentioned. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!23:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Arts and Entertainment Work Group - Writers and critics
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Does not pass WP:ACADEMIC. Reasons given for notability are co-authoring books with husband. I understand it is difficult to know who is responsible for the written work in these circumstances, but I think co-authoring books that do not have their own article is a difficult justification for an article- I would suggest a merge with her Husband's article maybe (her husband is clearly notable as president of a learned body). I feel very bad about doing this, however, as obviously I do not want to underplay women's accomplishments in scientific fields. Spiralwidget (talk) 15:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: She's mentioned quite a bit in Gscholar [13] for example, but I suspect it was due to the era in which she lived and gender bias that "minimized" her contributions for lack of a better term. The 50s and 60s was still early for female scientists to be taken as equals to males. Oaktree b (talk) 15:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I sympathise with the proposer's dilemma. Although in Wikipedia terms "president of a learned body" gives us an easy basis for declaring someone notable, the lasting impact of this couple, and the real reason they're notable, is the anthropology they did, and their written output, not the husband's post. We cannot tease apart who contributed how much. Given that we don't know their relative contributions, deciding to put her contribution in an article with his name just feels too old-fashioned and patriarchal, as well as very arbitrary. Also, from a practical perspective, if we were to merge, her life prior to her marriage wouldn't fit well in her husband's article, giving too much weight to things that aren't directly about him; we'd have to consider moving the new merged article to "Felix Maxwell Keeling and Marie Margaret Keeling" or something like that, but then we'd need redirects anyway, so what's the point? "Keep" has the benefit of being a simple outcome to an inseparable duo. Elemimele (talk) 16:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As the co-author of Elite Communication in Samoa and Taming Philippine Headhunters, both of which seem to be significant books (I'm seeing lots of published scholarly reviews online, despite the fact they were published a long time pre-internet), she surely meets WP:AUTHOR. Josh Milburn (talk) 20:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BLP of a political scientist of doubtful notability. The only source that might get it over the line is the biographical dictionary of Georgia, but that looks more like an online Who’s Who rather than a DNB. Mccapra (talk) 22:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am the author of the article, so my voice doesn't count here, but since I was mentioned in the comments, I would like to share my thoughts. Firstly, Antsiferov is mentioned in several articles (for example, in relation to the State Duma elections and the case involving the Kremlin's attempt to sue him), both of which are quite high-profile and have been covered by many reputable media outlets. Secondly, he is the author of well-known textbooks in Russia, which are used by students at elite Russian universities (MGIMO, MSU). Madrugador88 (talk) 08:36, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - at first glance she appears notable, but I will look deeper into the sources, as well as potential sources in a BEFORE search within the next few days before iVoting. It appears there are several SPA's who have worked on the article, however, that may or may not mean it's an autobio, which while strongly frowned upon, is not forbidden - if the person is notable. It may have influenced the neutrality of the article, so if it turns out that they meet notability criteria and the article is kept, it may need to be cleaned up. Netherzone (talk) 23:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Most of the sources are neither reliable nor independent. They are full of primary sources written by the subject or from unreliable blogs. Ibjaja055 (talk) 21:37, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There's enough here to show GNG. She's written a book that Martin van Beynen has called "bestselling". It created a lot of publicity, for example, John Campbell interviewed her for 10 min on Radio New Zealand. She gets keynote speaking slots and, whilst that's nothing unusual, it is unusual when Stuff reports on that. She's been invited to give a talk at TEDxChristchurch and it takes quite something to get invited to TEDx. The pieces by Kurt Bayer (NZHerald; based in Christchurch), Eleanor Black (Stuff), and Now to Love (which belongs to Are Media) go into plenty enough depth to fulfil the criteria of three independent reliable sources. And all those sources are in the article already. All up, that's an easy keep. Schwede6604:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Waikato Times piece is a promotional piece for the business awards. The Now to Love piece is just her interview with Women's Daily. The other Stuff piece is also a promotional piece.
Delete - not notable. If it is kept then "Rgs21" should clarify if they have any link to Ravi Guru Singh, the nickname of the article subject. Ttwaring (talk) 17:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - substantively this page has more citations and support than many other notability pages. Rgs21 may be on vacation or unavailable and the page should not hinge on that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.114.12 (talk) 15:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - almost entirely self-published sources. A lawyer or writer is famous for writing; they are not notable for that. One can make yourself famous; to become notable requires other people writing about you. See WP:GNG. Bearian (talk) 08:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I reviewed, the people writing about the subject include Marc Bain at the Business of Fashion (extensively), Divya Bhandari at the Hindu (extensively -- on the digital fashion and the future for India) -- articles are behind paywalls. To a lesser extent, the subject is written about and cited in other law.com articles on decentralized autonomous organizations, by the author Robert Schwinger, a prominent partner at Norton Rose Fulbright, an elite law firm. The Business of Fashion and the Hindu, are credible, reputable and independent sources. Please advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.85.105.72 (talk) 15:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Request for deletion of the Wikipedia article about Klaus Schnellenkamp due to lack of relevance according to the WP guidelines. These state that public reporting on the person in question must be independent of time or over a long period of time. However, there was only selective reporting, and this was done around 15 years ago. Hence the deletion request!KSW72 (talk) 07:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)KSWKSW72 (talk) 07:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is a different person than Diane Hamilton, a business professor at Rowan University and the author of some reasonably well-cited works that otherwise look like they might fit the subject of this AfD ("A decision model for integration across the business curriculum in the 21st century", "Factors affecting student performance and satisfaction", and "Adding contextual specificity to the technology acceptance model"). The better-cited Diane Hamilton from Rowan was educated at Rowan, Drexel, and Temple [15] which doesn't match the education part of the nominated article. I also found several reviews of folklore music by our non-disambiguated Diane Hamilton. As for the Diane Hamilton whose article we are discussing, her books appear to be essentially self-published and I found no reviews. We do not have the citation record or other criteria needed for WP:PROF, none of the sources in the article are sufficiently reliable and independent to contribute to WP:GNG, and as discussed above the article is heavily promotional. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:14, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article about a person that doesn't meet WP:GNG. The first source is a database result as well as unverifiable. The second sources was like that too. The third one, embt.org, is solely a tribute to another man called "Alberto", and has nothing to do with this article. Source 5 is undoubtedly unreliable, and source 6 is a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE (because it's written by him, I would call it a WP:SELFPUB. ORCID isn't needful especially when citing as a biographical information. I don't know much about it, but it does appear like a user generated site. I was thinking how we can structure a person's research as academics always write many publications. On this aspect, there are many primary sources; books written by him, and thy are from source 9 to 11. Primary sources may be useful and good, but at the same time doesn't tell us how notable was that research. WA it reviewed by critics, did it appear on TV sites, e.t.c.
The subject's co-authored work, and his first book according to the article, doesn't appear to meet WP:NBOOK. This is applicable to the third (there was no mention of the second book). A Fellow of the American College of CHEST Physicians isn't notable per WP:NACADEMIC as the membership including non elected paid position is shown here. Same as the American Heart Association. Additionally, a letter of recommendation on someone doesn't show his notable that person is, and it isn't an award per WP:ANYBIO. This was accepted via AFC by me, for the sale of this AFD. The creator is likely a COI editor who has moved this page twice, and it has been draftified twice too. Safari ScribeEdits!Talk!22:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment ORCID's mean nothing with regards to notability. I have one, you can register for one, for free. We were encouraged at one point to register for one with our Wikipedia credentials... Not sure how useful it is, but it doesn't help notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:41, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I tend to agree with the explanation above, doesn't seem to have gained recognition in the field yet due to the low citation index. Oaktree b (talk) 14:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Based on the changes I have reported and the previous scientific material collected, I completely disagree with your opinion that the Roberto G. Carbone page is not worthy of being published on Wikipedia English.
By reading your criticisms and opinions, you are asked to evaluate the page according to the scientific criteria already adopted with other biographical pages of more or less famous scientists that I have taken as a comparison to evaluate the validity of the page and the sources cited by me.
Please remember that there are many sources from English scientific societies that cannot be considered unreliable. I would also like to point out that many of the secondary sources cannot be cited as they do not exist on the web but only physically in paper format (for example scientific magazines, local newspapers, independent information). I therefore ask you to let me know how I can possibly insert this additional data.
It is recommended to use international scientific criteria to evaluate the quality and scientific impact of the research carried out by Dr. Roberto G. Carbone with those who have the appropriate scientific requirements.
Last revision:
The English Wikipedia version is much more accurate than the Italian one. In detail, in the introduction I have added more accurate information regarding the scientific studies and the collaboration of Roberto G. Carbone's closest colleagues.
I added in the "Research" section the close collaboration with the Nobel Prize winner Prof. Renato Dulbecco in the physiology of lung cancer.
I added a quote with the photograph of the current president of the Royal Society Medicine who recommended that I write as a courtesy that Roberto G. Carbone is honored to be a member of the Royal Society Medicine.
Delete. Citation record does not look like a pass of WP:NPROF C1. Editorial board membership is WP:MILL, and does not contribute to notability. The fellowships in the Royal College and in CHEST appear to be based in large part on ability to pay, to be open to early career researchers, and in general not to be the kind of thing discussed by NPROF C3. Fellowship in American Heart Association failed WP:V. Little sign of GNG notability. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 09:52, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I agree with Russ Woodroofe's evaluation just above. In addition, the bit about the libraries that hold his 2009 book is just odd. So what if it's held "at MIT in Boston [sic]"? The MIT library system contains millions of books. That whole paragraph reads like trying to hype up a person without actually knowing what a successful academic career looks like. XOR'easter (talk) 23:37, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Created as a draft which was declined twice and then moved to mainspace by the draft creator, who restored it to mainspace after it had been draftified again. I have cleaned it up pretty extensively and looked for better sources, but I can't see how WP:NAUTHOR or WP:GNG are met – it looks like a case of an up-and-coming writer who is not yet notable. The single possibly independent source in the article (other than all the sources that don't mention Dorneanu) gives me a warning so I have not assessed that, but one source would not be sufficient in any case. A WP:BEFORE search yields nothing. bonadeacontributionstalk12:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not finding this professor and art critic notable per WP:Nacademic nor WP:NAUTHOR. The current sourcing consists of two press releases and a listing that is a simple name check. Part of a group of articles created to promote the "Empathic Movement". Netherzone (talk) 03:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I see a NY Post article with her as the main focus as well as a People article and a few others. Sure, this page is going to be brief but it's still notable enough to keep. Nweil (talk) 17:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I commented on those. They do not establish notability. Have you seen WP:NYPOST? There is consensus the New York Post is generally unreliable for factual reporting, especially with regard to politics, particularly New York City politics. A tabloid newspaper, editors criticise its lack of concern for fact-checking or corrections, including examples of outright fabrication. Editors consider the New York Post more reliable before it changed ownership in 1976, and particularly unreliable for coverage involving the New York City Police Department. A 2024 RfC concluded that the New York Post is marginally reliable for entertainment coverage; see below. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:58, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not positive the subject of Tracey Collins falls under "politics". You said yourself she is a low-profile individual. I get that this is all tangentially related to politics but the tone of that article does not seem slanted or biased in a political way. I think the RfC does not apply here. Nweil (talk) 18:08, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neither the NY Post nor People would have published those if not for her relationship to Eric Adams, hence NOTINHERITED and the connection to NYC politics. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:24, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Eric Adams. An article about a person is an article about a person, even if the motivation for writing the article was the person's relationship. NOTINHERITED isn't about discrediting sourcing about that person, but discrediting the idea that someone is automatically notable for their relationship. That said, there's just not enough sources about Collins directly to support WP:BIO at this point. Add to that the ongoing legal issues around Adams will likely mean this bio will run into WP:BLPCRIME issues, and I think it makes sense to just redirect here. — Rhododendritestalk \\ 15:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The mayor of New York City is the most prominent mayoral position in the United States. The spouse/partner of the mayor is treated like that of a state's governor. Have there been discussions about the notability of a governor's significant other? I would apply them to the First Lady of NYC if so. Thriley (talk) 20:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The significant others of Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg were not treated akin to first ladies of a state. De Blasio's wife, Chirlane McCray, has independent sourcing directly about her, not her husband. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. The New York press has historically covered the First Lady of New York with the same interest as if she were the wife of the governor of New York State. Thriley (talk) 23:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And yet, we don't see evidence of that with RS going into Collins as a person, just passing mentions in articles about Adams. McCray served in the role, Collins has avoided it, it would seem. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If I were to guess, she has been deliberately low profile during his administration due to the concerns raised during the campaign. Thriley (talk) 23:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Slightly off topic but can I request some eyes on this article [16] which the same author created 18 minutes before creating his own article. Google suggests some connection between author and subject. Axad12 (talk) 02:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I added 17 reviews of his three books to the article, many of them reliably published in a mix of major newspapers and academic journals. There's easily enough for WP:AUTHOR here, even if we don't count the more-routine Publishers Weekly and Kirkus reviews. I don't know what the nominator tried but finding several of these took only plugging his name into Google News. As for formatting, see WP:DINC, but User:XOR'easter seems to have already done much of the necessary cleanup soon after the deletion nomination was made. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just as we should not allow indiscriminate creation of autobiographies, we should not distort our content by letting the bad creation of an article on a notable subject prevent us from having an article on that subject. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All right, I'll bite, this article is probably not notable. The refbombing makes it really hard to assess the quality of the sources, but even then, it seems most coverage is either WP:ROUTINE or about the movement he founded, empathism. Allan Nonymous (talk) 12:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Many of the sources are local, and many are written by followers/adherents/members of his so-called "cultural movement", Empathism, who have signed his "manifesto", therefore are not independent.
Delete - As I'm slogging through the 94 ref-bombed citations I am finding that many of these sources are user-submitted content, blogs, things written by his Empathism adherents and members, and some sources don't mention him at all. The article is bloated with content supported in this way, and I do not think it should remain in the encyclopedia, per WP:PROMO by the two now-blocked sockpuppets (see: [18] and [19]). Also WP:TNT, and WP:NOTADVERTISING may apply. Netherzone (talk) 22:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. For full disclosure I was recently heavily involved in both the ANI thread and the SPI which resulted in the socks being blocked. However, I agree with the positions taken by Allan Nonymous and Netherzone above. The fact that the equivalent article was deleted on Italian Wikipedia on notability grounds is, I suspect, a relevant consideration here. Axad12 (talk) 03:28, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — maybe if this were started from scratch by impartial editors it could amount to something, but as things stand, it’s irremediably tainted by promotional spam. — BiruitorulTalk12:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I do not know what this editor(s) did so bad, but I think that this profile od Menotti Lerro, also born as a draft accepted, did not need spam to be encyclopedic. I see academic monographies dedicated to the Author. A lot of relevant articles "Poesia" international magazine more times since 2003 (therefore 17 years before his movement), and articles written by Roberto Carifi, Nuovi Argomenti main Italian literary magazine, Avvenire by Maurizio Cucchi who wrote also on La Stampa in 2006. The author developed Cilento Poetry Prize financed by Italian Ministry of Culture for 140.500 Euro (seems very relevant thing to me...), his prize, was written in the page, has been now given to the Nobel Prize Jon Fosse who did not adhere to the movement... Same in the Movement there is the other Nobel Prize Olga Tokarczuk but she did not receive the prize (so did not adhered for this...). His movement is published in Academic volume The Empathic Movement (CSP: 2023). The same movement started in 2020 while the prize started 2017 (therefore it is not true that Lerro was convincing authors giving them the prize... at the least no in the first 3 years and no Jon Fosse, because he did not adhered, who is pretty relevant author and example, I guess. The author taught in Universities and has 4 academic degrees (MA from UK and PhD) and he is author of both: academic and creative volumes (around 40). I really do not understand why he did not earn to be on the free encyclopedy... Maybe the editor(s) did mistake (I do not see the real reason for them, but you should maybe to be a bit more open about the author himself...Heremsun (talk) 16:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)— Heremsun (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
@Heremsun, welcome, it's interesting that out of the blue on your very first edit of WP, you would find this AfD to make your very first edit. Please tell us how that coincidence occurred. You sound a bit familiar, have you other accounts? Netherzone (talk) 16:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Seems to be a WP:TNT case right enough. I thought because he was poet but looked at a whole bunch of the references (not the whole first block though) and seems to be non-notable. Which is unfortunate really. If it wasn't empathism and the concerted effort to stuff it full of crap along with the several articles I came across mentioning the term during NPP sprint, I suspect there could be enough for a wee stub as a poet. These directed action gangs on here turn a lot of people off. Its unfortunate. scope_creepTalk10:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TNT. It’s so poorly written, designed, formatted, and duplicative (especially references) that, even if an argument could be made that he’s notable, the article would have to be written from scratch. If the subject paid for this crap, then he was scammed. Bearian (talk) 19:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Semi-advertorialized rticle about a city councillor, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NPOL #2. As always, city councillors are not automatically notable enough for Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show evidence that they should be seen as special cases of significantly more nationalized notability than the norm -- but this is showing nothing of the sort, and instead is trending in the direction of trying to promote his post-council business as a mortgage agent, and is referenced entirely to the type of run of the mill local coverage that's merely expected to always exist for all city councillors in their local media, except for a single brief glancing namecheck of his existence in a national newspaper article about somebody else, which isn't support for notability and doesn't even support the sentence it's footnoting anyway. Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have a lot more sourcing and substance than this. Bearcat (talk) 06:52, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't particularly think a redirect to the hockey team is needed. Despite the article saying that he "is" the owner of the team, he actually only owned it for a few months in 2014 before selling it to other owners again, so I don't think owning a minor hockey league team for a brief time 10 years ago is enough to warrant a redirect: he's not a terribly likely search term on that basis per se, and in the incredibly unlikely event that somebody was searching for his name on that basis, the team's article would come up in the list of search results anyway. Bearcat (talk) 15:50, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't meet WP:CREATIVE with only minor roles in various TV and music. I can't find any sources getting close to discussing him. This is just the latest iteration in attempts to promote him as a speaker going back to 2014 (I've already removed that). SmartSE (talk) 08:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the two press sources in the article seem pretty good. There's also this, this, this, all from a quick and non extensive search. His books have several reviews on Gale and Proquest which help him pass WP:NAUTHOR/ Also many interviews with RS. A pretty decent article could be written here, IMO PARAKANYAA (talk) 12:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I'm not finding any significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Run-of-the-mill sexuality/intimacy author. Softlavender (talk) 10:40, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I don't find coverage about this person, Gnews has only PR items. He wrote a book "he Shipping Point: The Rise of China and The Future of Retail Supply Chain..." but I don't find any reviews. These appear to be republished articles [20], [21]. I don't see AUTHOR or business person notability. Oaktree b (talk) 01:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
The article notes: "Levesque was previously president of Ports America and spent 25 years based in Hong Kong. He has held executive positions at international transportation, logistics and supply chain companies such as Modern Terminals, CEVA Logistics and DHL. ... A graduate of the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, Northwestern University and the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, Levesque authored “The Shipping Point: The Rise of China and the Future of Retail Supply Chain Management” in 2011, and the 2022 thriller “Two if By Sea,”"
Kwang, Mary (2002-05-15). "What Singapore has done, HK can do too". The Straits Times.
The article notes: "Singapore has done a remarkable job of marketing itself as the logistics hub of Asia, and where Singapore has succeeded, Hongkong could succeed too, according to a logistics industry consultant. Mr Peter Levesque, who runs his own consultancy firm and who used to work for container transportation company, American President Lines, said that the Republic 'has its running shoes on and for quite some time in an attempt to outrun Hongkong'. ... He lauded Singapore for its focused marketing efforts, open-skies policy, world-class port, logistics education and positioning as a hub for high-value, fast-moving goods. He described the tie-up between the National University of Singapore and the Georgia Institute of Technology, renowned for logistics studies, to offer courses in the field as a strategic fit."
The article notes: "Levesque will join Ports America in February 2020 and will report to Mark Montgomery, who will continue in the role of chief executive officer. Levesque joins Ports America from Modern Terminals Limited (MTL) in Hong Kong, where he most recently held the post of group managing director and ceo. He brings more than 30 years of maritime industry experience. During his nine-year tenure with Modern Terminals, Levesque led the company through a successful Public-Private-Partnership in Hong Kong."
The article notes: "Ports America has chosen 30-year shipping industry veteran Peter Levesque as its new president, returning Levesque to the United States from Hong Kong, where he was CEO of Modern Terminals Ltd. Levesque, who has led Modern Terminals since 2016 and spent nine years at the company, will join Ports America in February. "
The article notes: "Modern Terminals' Chief Operating Officer Peter Levesque will succeed Sean Kelly as managing director of the Hong Kong-based terminal operator from Jan. 1, 2017. ... Levesque is a veteran of the transport and logistics industry. He has been with Modern Terminals since February 2010, and has served as chief commercial officer and chief operating officer. Prior to Modern Terminals, he held executive positions at DHL, CEVA Logistics, and American President Lines."
Comment Lets examine these references as Cunard hasn't a particularly good success rate at finding sources for these types of articles:
Ref 1 [22] This is profile with no byline. Its non-rs. Its is likely written by Levesque himself.
Ref 2 This is 317 word article. It is NOT in-depth secondary coverage.
Ref 3 [23] This routine annoucement of employment comes from a press-release and is not considered a WP:SECONDARY source for WP:BLP. It is non-rs in fact.
Ref 4 This is the same press-release. Another routine annoucement of employement. It is non-rs.
Ref 5 This is the same press-release. Another routine annoucement of employement. It is non-rs.
None of these constitute WP:SECONDARY sources. I'm a bit peeved that press-releases have been presented as secondary sourcing when long established consensus has proven they are not. So far no WP:THREE secondary sources have been supplied to prove this person is notable. scope_creepTalk10:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first source was not written by Levesque himself. It was written by the publication. Here is the methodology from the Virginia Business editor:
For those who aren’t familiar with the Virginia 500, we like to say that it’s like the Fortune 500 but instead of companies, it’s about people — specifically, the most powerful Virginia executives and officials in business, nonprofits, higher education, government and politics. The list is based on our staff research, not nominations, and we do not rank executives.
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Another important point: The Virginia 500 is journalism, not public relations or advertising. Our editors choose which organizations and leaders make the list and what we say about them. The Virginia 500 is not an award or an endorsement; it’s simply a recognition that a person holds a position of power and influence. Though most executives appreciate being named to the Virginia 500, a small number sometimes wish not to be included. There isn’t an opt-out process, however.
The virginia busines reads looks and reads like a profile with fundamental information that couldn't be know without contacting him or using other press-release type information to build that profile. That combined with paid-for images makes it look like PR. Its the classic who's who or bloomberg type of profile. The 2nd isn't in-depth and the press-releases by long consensus are non-rs. You can't bypass it and tack and assume its good. Its not. scope_creepTalk10:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"fundamental information that couldn't be know without contacting him or using other press-release type information" could be said without evidence about most news articles in reliable sources that profile living people. Backed by the statement from the publication's editor, I see no evidence that this source is not independent. The second source is a 299-word article which is significant coverage. The other sources are not press releases; they are news articles from publications that report on the shipping industry. Cunard (talk) 11:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They are from press-releases. Nobody reports on a routine annoucement of a job unless it comes from a press-release. You just don't want to do the work to find the press-release. Here is the press-release statement
"“I am thrilled to have Peter be part of our leadership team of the Ports America platform. Ports America remains focused on providing best-in-class service to many of the world’s leading shipping lines as well as the work we have completed in improving workflow solutions to beneficial cargo owners to drive dramatic growth for the company,” said Ports America ceo Mark Montgomery".
That is not independent and non-rs.
The subject listing is similar to the X of Y articles that lists basic information and are no more that constructs used to provide awareness in job hunting and lately to build a fake notability, similar to bloomberg and who's who. It is no more than a profile, is not in-depth nor independent. The man is not notable. It worries me you break established consensus around reliabilty/independence just to prove a point. I'm kind of worried that you don't know that press-releases are non-rs. I hope your not handing out that advice for editors looking for sources. scope_creepTalk12:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That quote is from Labrut 2019 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFLabrut2019 (help) in which the author quotes Dave Starling, the chairman of the company board. The rest of the article provides biographical coverage about Peter J. Levesque in the journalist's own words. There is enough independent, non-interview coverage in all the sources for Peter J. Levesque to meet Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says, "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". Cunard (talk) 08:02, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding Knowler 2016 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFKnowler2016 (help), Labrut 2019 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFLabrut2019 (help), and Journal 2019 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFJournal2019 (help): One of the sources was published in 2016. Two of the sources were published in 2019. While the sources are prompted by company's announcements, there is enough independent reporting and non-press-release coverage in the sources to contribute to notability under Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria alongside the other two sources. Cunard (talk) 08:17, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Part of a walled garden revolving around “empathism”. No credible evidence of notability. Conveniently, Mangham is cited in the article on Menotti Lerro, the guru of empathism, calling him “one of the most interesting poets in modern-day Europe”. Of course, this opinion just happens to appear in the introduction to a volume of poetry by Lerro, who just happens to be friends with Mangham. See how these things work? BiruitorulTalk11:03, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS I removed the claim of being connected with empathism from the article. I don't think its source was adequate for WP:BLPRS. That leaves his professorial position and his books. Among edited volumes, I'm only listing the ones for which I found reviews, and for that reason the Lerro volume is not even listed. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:04, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think this subject needs to be assessed according to ACADEMIC or AUTHOR standards of notability regardless of his connection to Menotti Lerro. Writing an introduction to one book doesn't define his career. LizRead!Talk!00:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nomination and WP:GNG. While on the surface Smelovsky does appear to have references about him, many of these do seem like profiles (16 being probably the easiest one to spot). SirMemeGod19:55, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Sources 2,3,5,6,7 and 11 are red per Source Highlighter, so those are non-RS. I can only find social media, this person's website, streaming sites, then not much else. Zero hits/nothing turns up in gnews. I don't see musical notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge (selectively) into Grundik+Slava as an WP:ATD. No need for an article on this musician since his individual notability is not established. The target does need more information and some info on the duo participants is legitimate. gidonb (talk) 15:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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There has been a lot of IP nonsense in the history of this article, so while I agree with the IP's PROD, I think this merits an AFD. Farmer has been cited, but since OA isn't sufficient I don't see WP:BIO level coverage StarMississippi21:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have semi'ed the article due to the blanking, but not this discussion. If someone feels I should not have done so as nom, feel free to amend. StarMississippi00:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a vanity article for a little-known freelance writer. His only claim to fame is drawing widespread mockery and condemnation for his book about wearing blackface across the United States. Much more notable Canadian journalists do not have Wikipedia pages, and the achievements listed are negligible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrashPandaMan (talk • contribs)
Keep - The person who nominated this article for deletion clearly has a personal issue with the subject, Sam Forster, who is obviously a notable public figure. Just because an author is controversial, like Sam Forster is, that doesn't mean a well-sourced article about him should be removed. Sam Forster seems like a fairly normal, likable journalist, who happened to create an avant-garde book, and it seems like he is being maliciously attacked here. Violetpennington (talk) 07:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The critique overlooks the broader context of Sam Forster's contributions to the public discourse. While it's true that not every writer or journalist gains widespread recognition overnight, dismissing someone's work solely based on their level of fame or controversial moments is short-sighted. Forster’s book, which has indeed sparked debate, addresses sensitive and complex issues, and the ensuing reactions—both positive and negative—demonstrate that his work has provoked meaningful conversations.
It's essential to recognize that public figures who challenge societal norms often face harsh criticism, but that doesn't diminish the value of their contributions. Many notable figures throughout history were initially met with ridicule before their work was acknowledged as significant. Forster's willingness to tackle uncomfortable topics is an important part of his role as a writer. Furthermore, Wikipedia is a platform that reflects public interest, and Forster's coverage there simply mirrors the fact that his work, controversial or not, has sparked significant public attention.
Additionally, comparing Forster to other Canadian journalists based on fame is a false equivalence. The presence or absence of a Wikipedia page is not a measure of a person’s accomplishments, nor does it negate the relevance of their work. It's important to focus on the substance of what a writer has contributed to discussions, rather than focusing on how well-known they are or how their work has been received in certain circles.
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This approach emphasizes the importance of intellectual discourse, the value of confronting complex societal issues, and challenges the assumptions about fame equating to worth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daves598 (talk • contribs) 01:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The keep vote above by the blocked editor was entirely AI generated (according to gptzero.me), and on that basis should surely be entirely disregarded. Axad12 (talk) 03:09, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting. We need some experienced editors to weigh in here. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!04:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - There is no legitimate argument for deleting this article. Sam Forster is clearly a notable figure who has been featured in many prominent media outlets. The fact that some people have criticized his work is not a reason to delete his page. Violetpennington (talk) 07:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - like it or not, a quick Proquest search for "Sam Forster" find no end of coverage for his ... for lack of a better word, “mochaface”. Nfitz (talk) 01:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Google searches easily turn up hundreds of high-profile mentions. There are articles from Amnesty International, the UN, and various governments, and dozens of major newspapers that all mention him. Easily meets WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV criteria. For sects with that many media mentions, their founders and leaders would usually also be notable enough. There is also plenty of information about Hashem that would fit well into a standalone article. DjembeDrums (talk) 17:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep Finding sources was really easy for this person, they have multiple books with multiple reviews, and numerous interviews. I removed a lot of the material that I couldn't find sources for other than her website and CV. Dr vulpes(Talk)03:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After rereading that I wanted to clarify that I'm not being snippy with @4meter4 I'm just so used to having to do deep dives into archives at AfD that this was a welcome change of pace. Dr vulpes(Talk)04:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a likely GNG failure. BLP written by the subject of the BLP. While the article has been improved over the years, the goals of our encyclopedia were so alien for the creator to not provide her date of birth. User:Dr_vulpes says there are multiple reviews. I did not see true reviews. Happy to be pointed to such, if in existence! I see articles about her books, in which she tells about these. Also interviews and passing mentions. The author is accessible - kudos to her - but it does not assist the independence of the sources. gidonb (talk) 12:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Her date of birth isn't available but her year of birth can be found in multiple databases. I've also added another review of her book. Dr vulpes(Talk)01:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1. It was moved from draft space to article space before it was reviewed and made live by the creator of the page
2. It was moved to draft space by other editors due to promotional tone, it seemed as it was written by someone closely connected to the subject
3. It was proposed for deletion and the final decision was to keep. However, the keep voters: 1 was a new account created just for this debate only (seems like it and it was an open IP, one was an editor banned for sock-puppetry)
4. There is someone constantly removing a section that is a bit negative about the subject
All this makes me believe that this page is being managed by someone closely connected to the subject. Additionally, i don't believe the subject is notable and most of the references are PRs and he is constantly self-promoting on the internet.
WikiProCreate (talk) 13:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Appears to be a celebrity plastic surgeon [28], [29], [30]. I'm not sure any of these show notability. Discussion in AfD last time was also questioning the Academic notability, noting that 1000 citations was rather low for his field. I don't see that much has changed since the last AfD. Oaktree b (talk) 14:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: He's been investigated by a few regulatory bodies [31], which doesn't affect notability. This information has been added/removed, suggesting this page is being actively curated by editors, likely for promo purposes. Oaktree b (talk) 15:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Ineligible for soft deletion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit14:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BLP of a cookbook author and filmmaker, not reliably sourced as having a strong claim to passing notability criteria for either occupation. As always, people are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show evidence of WP:GNG-worthy coverage about them in media independent of themselves -- but the only notability claim on offer here is that her work exists, and the article is referenced to one (deadlinked but recoverable) short blurb that isn't enough to get her over GNG all by itself if it's all she's got for GNG-worthy coverage, and one primary source that isn't support for notability at all. The article, further, has been tagged for needing more sources since 2011 without ever having better sources added, and a WP:BEFORE search came up dry as all I found in ProQuest was the blurb and a small handful of glancing namechecks of her existence in coverage of events. Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have more and better referencing than this. Bearcat (talk) 18:01, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At the very least, reviews exist for Lickin' the Beaters 2 from Library Journal[32] and Vegetarian Journal[33], and there are two shorter reviews for the two Lickin' the Beaters cookbooks from Broken Pencil magazine [34][35]. Broken Pencil also has a good number of reviews on her zines, e.g., one for The Day I Stopped Being Punk[36]. There's also an interview with her in Joe Biel's Beyond the Music: How Punks are Saving the World with DIY Ethics, Skills, & Values (Microcosm Publishing) on pages 150–152. With more research, I think we could probably find more reviews of her works that would warrant inclusion of this article (per WP:NAUTHOR). Best, Bridget(talk)15:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes a lot of reviews/mentions are before the internet existed as we know it. Broken Pencil reviewed all the zines, even some not listed on the wiki page. I've just found a Fascinating Folks from Broken Pencil (hopefully I'm doing this correctly, first time in one of these discussions... Maulydaft (talk) 13:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I "vote" Not to Delete. To the article I added an example of the HeartaCk column (magazine defunct), an inclusion of Fascinating Folks in Broken Pencil, an interview with Boardwalk Chocolates with T.O.F.U Magazine. Bitch Magazine also highlighted Fascinating Folks in an article but Bitch is also defunct. Maulydaft (talk) 19:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There doesn't appear to be significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. None of the links in the article help establish notability. toweli (talk) 09:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a subjective opinion coming from a lack of awareness of Canada's television entertainment scene. Sebastian Cluer is one of the most well known and in-demand directors in his country, having directed, produced and developed many notable shows that have had massive success both in his home country and abroad. Lots of them are on airlines, including Still Standing, Bollywed, Property Brothers...and the list goes on. These along with receiving many nominations and wins, particularly with The Canadian Screen Awards, which are the country's equivalent to the Oscars and Golden Globes combined.
Sebastian was also instrumental in the success of the hugely popular and successful show Kenny vs. Spenny and has been appearing in commentaries alongside Kenny Hotz as of late.
Keep. Article does need improvement, but there are far too many Gemini Award and Canadian Screen Award nominations and victories listed here to deem him "non-notable" at all. That's top-level national awards, equivalent to Emmys and Oscars, which is a notability lock even if the sourcing still needs improvement, and the sourcing for that kind of stuff most certainly can be improved. Bearcat (talk) 17:27, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Is notable" and "delete" cannot coexist. Gemini Awards and Canadian Screen Awards are an inherent notability lock, meaning that every person with those awards on their mantle must be allowed to have a Wikipedia article. I'll grant that not everybody named in our Genie, Gemini and CSA articles already has an article yet, but everybody named in any of them must be allowed to have an article as soon as somebody gets around to it, and there can be no exceptions to that: it's a top-level national award that nails inherent notability to the wall right on its face per WP:ANYBIO's "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times", which means it's inherently notable enough that it locks notability down even if the sourcing is inadequate. The only legitimate grounds for deleting a Gemini/Genie/CSA winner would be if sourceability were completely nonexistent (e.g. a person whose article falsely claimed a nomination or win that they didn't really have). Bearcat (talk) 17:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Nominations suggest notability, but there just isn't enough coverage about him. I had to dig to even bring this up [37]. An interview that doesn't quite help notability. Delete for lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 23:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]