Talk:Arianism

Questionable polling survey inclusion

A "lifeway research" poll conducted on behalf of "Ligonier Ministries" (a calvinist outreach organization) conducted a poll of "Americans with Evangelical Beliefs" titled the State of Theology, 2020.

This study did not include catholics, and yet a significant error was previously included in this article with attempts to portray 80% of American Roman Catholics as Arian Heretics.

This is sourced completely out of thin air, from a study which did not include nor even mention the word "catholic" and conducted by a very specific sect of Reformed theology calvinists and published by a Southern Baptist Evangelical publisher.

Not only the polling organization, its publisher AND the survey itself, as well as the included intentional misrepresentation of its data, methods, respondents, and results all represent a gross violation of POV as well as inclusion of simply incorrect and non factual information.

I have thusly removed that section. 2600:6C5E:4B7F:F095:297E:240D:E4CC:766B (talk) 15:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

The State of American Theology Study 2020 that is linked in the article specifically points out differences in the survey results for various groups, including Evangelical, Mainline, Black Protestant, and Catholic. So your contention that it does not mention the word catholic is incorrect. I am reverting your edit until you can supply a reliable source that supports your contention. Indyguy (talk) 16:10, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

nope, see PAGE 48 and tell me where you see any evidence that 80% of all American catholics are Arian heretics? Furthermore, please explain the purpose of the R.C. Sproul dominated organization's survey to be included in this article at all?

Your Lutheran axe-to-grind is noted however. 2600:6C5E:4B7F:F095:297E:240D:E4CC:766B (talk) 16:42, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you that the 80% figure is incorrect—it's actually about 66%, which is not a huge difference. However, I'm not going to restore the material because the same survey also said that an even larger percentage believed in the traditional doctrine of the Trinity. Obviously it's a logical inconsistency to believe in both statements. The problem with surveys like this is that the bare questions mislead the responders. In this case I suspect that the fact that Jesus, who is the eternal Son of God, was also born as a man misleads respondents when they asked a question without further context. The doctrine of the Trinity is a paradoxical mystery, so it's not surprising that non-theologians don't understand its intricacies.

That the organization conducting the survey is Baptist/Protestant does not mean that the survey results are biased against Catholics. The Catholic Encyclopedia is used in a number of articles, but that doesn't mean it can't be used as a source even though it is "biased" against Protestants..

As far as my having a :Lutheran axe-to-grind", please assume good faith. I would not be surprised if a majority of Lutherans would answer this question in the same way as the majority of Catholics. Indyguy (talk) 20:16, 6 July 2024 (UTC)