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August 16
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Paetongtarn chosen as new Thai PM
[edit]Blurb: Paetongtarn Shinawatra is chosen as Prime Minister of Thailand by the House of Representatives, replacing Srettha Thavisin who was dismissed by the Constitutional Court. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg BBC News The Guardian
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- Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Propose to merge with the existing blurb on Srettha's dismissal, just like how we did with the Bangladesh PM. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:23, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge seems fine. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 09:11, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge also. River10000 (talk) 11:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The proposed blurb says she was selected by the House, but her article currently says "parliament". This Bangkok Post article says it was the House, explictly stating that the Senate wasn't required.—Bagumba (talk) 11:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality only A few unsourced statements but that should be easily fixed. --Masem (t) 13:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge, because it's a succession in head of government of Thailand, plus swap out the picture. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 13:52, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
August 15
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RD: Jack Russell (musician)
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard, NPR
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- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:5994:D657:3789:8602 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by UndergroundMan3000 (talk · give credit) and SirZPthundergod9001 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American musician and founding member of Great White. 240F:7A:6253:1:5994:D657:3789:8602 (talk) 13:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Chicxulub impactor originated from the outer Solar System
[edit]Blurb: Chicxulub impactor originated from the outer Solar System (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Chicxulub asteroid has been found to be a carbonaceous asteroid which formed in the outer Solar System
News source(s): Science, [1]
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Count Iblis (talk) 10:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and close: what even is the meaning of this? Tofusaurus (talk) 11:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- It means that the Chicxulub asteroid was found to be from the outer Solar System, rather than the inner Solar System. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think the question is "what is the significance of this?". It's a cool discovery that this asteroid came from so far away (though I always assumed the majority of massive impactors came from the [[Outer Solar System]]), but I'm not sure it's ITN material. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- It means that the Chicxulub asteroid was found to be from the outer Solar System, rather than the inner Solar System. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose In contrast with the water on Mars story, this has extremely little impact on science going forward, its more a "that answers that question". Also, remember that we need to have coverage in the news, which is there for this but I've added that. We can't just go on published papers only. --Masem (t) 13:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Peter Marshall
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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- Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
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A few citations needed, but well-sourced overall. Mooonswimmer 18:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Fixed the citations needed. Article now fully sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Greg Kihn
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KRON 4
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- Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article does need some help in a few places, but for many in the early 80s, Greg Kihn was the leader of The Greg Kihn Band and songwriter for the band, which had hits "Jeopardy (song)", "The Breakup Song" and several other in the early 80s. Weird Al covered "Jeopardy" as "I Lost on Jeopardy", where many know that song from. He also did some writing. TheCorriynial (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. They don't write 'em like that any more. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Some cn tags, an unsourced section and another section with only one source. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready yet. There are still nine citation needed tags. Flibirigit (talk) 11:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Lars Björn
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.svt.se/sport/ishockey/lasse-bjorn-ar-dod-blev-92-ar
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- Nominated by Flibirigit (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Marbe166 (talk · give credit)
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Olympic ice hockey and Ice Hockey World Championship medallist. Article is a bit short and could be expanded, but everything is cited. Flibirigit (talk) 14:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Looks good. TwistedAxe [contact] 21:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Article is well sourced, but I feel that the career section is a bit short, making the article borderline stubbish. Wondering what others think. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
National Public Data breach
[edit]Blurb: Data brokering service National Public Data suffers a breach of 2.7 billion records, potentially including the Social Security numbers of every living American. (Post)
News source(s): (CBS News)
Credits:
- Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)
- Created by Noleander (talk · give credit)
Data breach potentially containing the Social Security number of every living American. Breach occurred last April, but now a lawsuit's being filed and it's receiving widespread coverage. Article needs work. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose If the breach occurred last April, it is too stale to be presented as news in ITN, and the lawsuit isn't that newsworthy if the breach itself went under the radar at first. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is not nearly ready, and the item is stale to begin with. Estreyeria (talk) 14:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and close immediately — Troy Hunt has written a post about this data breach. The data present has not been confirmed for accuracy and is unlikely to be. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose besides the stake Ness and quality issues, data breaches are far too common nowadays to make this anything but routine. Also, importantly, this us only a claim from the lawsuit, nothing has been affirmed here. The signs are likely that it's true but we have no confirmation yet. Masem (t) 14:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - precedent has shown that stories that technically occurred a while back can still be posted if it only entered into the news discourse recently. Anyway, weak oppose, per ElijahPepe. — Knightoftheswords 14:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose As per above, the breach is a claim from a lawsuit, and does not seem to be definitively confirmed. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support if confirmed. This is a *huge* data breach, and its purported occurrence only recently came to light, assuming the charges made in the lawsuit are correct. Kurtis (talk) 00:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose notability since not confirmed Iff it's confirmed, take this to be a support on notability. Sure, large data breaches are common, but so are national elections, sports championships, and any of a half-dozen other things listed at ITNR. That shouldn't preclude something from being posted. The impact would be wide-reaching, and thus worth posting. For now, though, the accuracy is not certain nor the source. And don't even get me started on the article quality. Sincerely, Dilettante 03:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
August 14
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RD: Gena Rowlands
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Wrap
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- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Award winning American actress. Thriley (talk) 00:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality the entire filmography is currently unsourced. Estreyeria (talk) 14:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready yet. Filmography section has no sources, and the awards section has only one source. Flibirigit (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Regrettable oppose Filmography and awards section needs ref work. There's a few cn tags in the career section as well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) WHO declares global health emergency over Mpox outbreak
[edit]Blurb: The World Health Organization declares the 2024 African mpox epidemic to be a global health emergency. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The World Health Organization declares the African mpox epidemic to be a global health emergency.
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Twistedaxe (talk · give credit)
Last time it was declared an emergency, it killed around 200 people. It seems to be alot more serious now, as death count has already risen to well above 500. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wait there is no way that stub of an article is ready for an ITN item. Scu ba (talk) 18:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Literally one sentence, unfit for posting. Also, did we post monkeypox being designated as a global health emergency back in 2022? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Article is nowhere near ready for the main page. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 20:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose because the article needs expansion and more sources. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 03:22, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment — I expected that the WHO would declare the epidemic a global health emergency, but I have been tied up in the weeds of determining if this is a continuation of the epidemic two years ago, especially given the title change. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support The nominated article is mpox which is not a stub. The disease is endemic and has a long history but the latest announcement is a clear wakeup call to take this outbreak seriously. WHO is not helping matters by nerfing the name to the innocuous sounding mpox but what makes me sit up and take notice is that it is closely related to smallpox which was a global scourge. We do remember the recent global pandemic, right? That was given top billing at ITN for ages and so such topics are quite significant. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- The specific threat is the African epidemic, as mpox has been around and waned and waxed for decades. That should be featured. Masem (t) 21:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Noting the existence of the other article 2024 mpox outbreak that appears to nearly completely overlap with it, but is much more developed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- The nominated article is now African mpox epidemic and has a banner calling for a title change. These new article(s) don't seem stable and I reckon that the main mpox article is best for this topic, as it has all the background. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I was the one who requested the merge and the title change. Since the two articles have been merged, I don't see why stability would be an issue. The link in the blurb can be updated if the page is moved. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The nominated article is now African mpox epidemic and has a banner calling for a title change. These new article(s) don't seem stable and I reckon that the main mpox article is best for this topic, as it has all the background. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Noting the existence of the other article 2024 mpox outbreak that appears to nearly completely overlap with it, but is much more developed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - This epidemic primarily concerns Africa. Reported cases in the rest of the world have been steadily decreasing. This is not to throw Africa "under the bus" but Africa has certain conditions like: poor access to healthcare. The endemism of mpox in Africa. Which makes the epidemic noteworthy IN Africa as it is recurring.
- In the global perspective (non-endemic) the disease is spread through "mainly men who have sex with men and spread
- predominantly through sexual contact" rated moderate risk. Hardly pandemic material, yet... could change. Mikal N (talk) 22:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Incorrect - the 2022-2023 Clade II epidemic was spread mainly by sexual transmission. This is Clade I which seems to be more versatile and therefore more worrying. https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/how-scientists-are-racing-understand-new-mpox-strain-democratic-republic-congo Bob (talk) 19:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The specific threat is the African epidemic, as mpox has been around and waned and waxed for decades. That should be featured. Masem (t) 21:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Mpox is gradually becoming more similar to smallpox. Count Iblis (talk) 23:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support A big announcement, but the actual Mpox Outbreak page should be linked somewhere within the blurb itself Hungry403 (talk) 23:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major development in public health. -TenorTwelve (talk) 03:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Target article should be African mpox epidemic which is in need of expansion/quality improvement. SpencerT•C 11:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. I went ahead and changed the target article from mpox to African mpox epidemic and added a link to public health emergency of international concern in the blurbs. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 12:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Altblurb with the changes to the target page. Schwinnspeed (talk) 14:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb: It is starting to gain extensive coverage and significance. At the time of writing, Sweden has just reported its first case. Tofusaurus (talk) 17:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Qualified support. The article is relevant but quality is poor. The timeline is confusing. It's my bedtime otherwise I would contribute. Bob (talk) 19:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article quality now seems improved and this is highly notable. FlipandFlopped ツ 20:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support—A global health emergency is a pretty major development. Here's hoping it doesn't balloon into something too much worse than it currently is. Kurtis (talk) 22:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 23:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Dismissal of Thai PM
[edit]Blurb: Thailand's Constitutional Court dismisses Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin following an illegal cabinet appointment of a minister. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)
Tofusaurus (talk) 08:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe The event demonstrates that the PM is perhaps not the most powerful person in the government. CNN indicates that real power is held by "a small but powerful clique of military, royalist and business elites" which presumably means people like Thaksin Shinawatra. Anyway, this seems to be a trumped-up charge or show trial which we shouldn't endorse so directly. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thailand is in a bit of a flux atm as a flawed democracy; the primary opposition repeatedly gets banned but reforms as a different party. The current government with PT-Military is essentially PT submitting to the elements of the military, such as Prayut Chan-o-cha. River10000 (talk) 12:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Srettha & Thaksin are allies. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Don't be mistaken, the removal of Thavisin is a great example of Court overreach in politics. This is the active removal of a head of government. River10000 (talk) 12:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Presumably if the president of the United States was dismissed by a court in that country, then it would be an ITN item. I don't see how this is any different, apart from the fact it relates to a different country. Chrisclear (talk) 13:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability. However, I would think that this event might reasonably have a standalone article, and I would prefer to link to such an article should on be made. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 14:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support as ITN/R - change of head of government. Natg 19 (talk) 16:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- It becomes ITNR once his successor is known, but surely removal of head of government is notable in its own right if a successor is not chosen quickly. rawmustard (talk) 20:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support The event is notable, and the article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 17:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support a head of government got removed from office. This is notable enough for inclusion. Scu ba (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support because it's a change in head of government.
- JohnAdams1800 (talk) 18:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support The removal of Thailand’s PM is quite notable & the article’s quality is good enough to post. However, I’m not entirely satisfied w/the blurb’s wording since this seems to be politically motivated & the blurb’s wording doesn’t make that clear enough. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I was going to say this. Maybe add an allegedly? The CC is very obviously biased towards the conservative, royal elite. River10000 (talk) 20:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- That might work. However, reliable sources link this ruling to a ruling that happened 1 week ago that banned MFP politicians from politics, so it might be better to have an alt blurb that says:
Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)Thailand's Constitutional Court dismisses Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin one week after a ruling dissolved the Move Forward Party and banned its executives from politics.
- Or maybe a
- Thailand's Constitutional Court removes Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, alleging illegal appointment of a cabinet member. River10000 (talk) 00:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
... reliable sources link this ruling to a ruling that happened 1 week ago ...
: They are mentioned together in some sources, but do any of them say that the MFP being dissolved caused the PM's dismissal? —Bagumba (talk) 03:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's a slippery slope if we start using "allegedly" for court rulings. The ruling and their reasoning are fact, even if one argues its flawed (or if its eventually overturned or generally decried). —Bagumba (talk) 03:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- That might work. However, reliable sources link this ruling to a ruling that happened 1 week ago that banned MFP politicians from politics, so it might be better to have an alt blurb that says:
- I was going to say this. Maybe add an allegedly? The CC is very obviously biased towards the conservative, royal elite. River10000 (talk) 20:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, removal of an active head of government by a court is very much notable. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment While the picture is good, the fact that the leader is standing in front of another country's national flag might be confusing for a reader looking at ITN at a glance. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 06:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Switched image to File:Srettha Thavisin at Pheu Thai Party headquarters,Bangkok, 7 September 2023.jpg from his bio's lead (hopefully there's not a major issue w/ him smiling more).—Bagumba (talk) 12:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
August 13
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RD: Wally Amos
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by GA-RT-22 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Founder of Famous Amos cookie company. Host of the PBS television show Learn to Read. Thriley (talk) 19:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede66 23:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Citation issues appear to have been fixed. Thriley (talk) 10:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Richard Alatorre
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times
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- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:B9C1:EAA6:9B64:55C7 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by OCNative (talk · give credit) and Hirolovesswords (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Former Los Angeles councilman. 240F:7A:6253:1:B9C1:EAA6:9B64:55C7 (talk)
- Unreferenced date of birth, and place of birth. Schwede66 23:41, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Timothy Dudley-Smith
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Christianity Today BBC
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- Nominated by HistoryTheorist (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)
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Article is short but in good shape. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 22:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Liquid water on Mars
[edit]Blurb: Analysis of data from the InSight Mars mission indicates the presence of underground liquid water on Mars. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, PNAS
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- Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)
Article needs to be updated (currently only a one line update exists) but the topic is receiving significant news coverage. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 01:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support once the article has been sufficiently expanded. Important milestone. Yakikaki (talk) 07:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Needs work The article currently starts "Almost all water on Mars today exists as polar permafrost ice..." and continues in that vein. If this new analysis indicates that there are substantial underground seas of liquid water then the article will need completely rebalancing to account for this. An isolated update is not enough. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Opppose on quality concerns, the lead needs a lot of work, I had to search the article to find the story here. Also, possible sustained oppose because it appears this was known in 2018 from the Mars Express mission. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Given the chronology of discoveries of water on Mars dating back to the 1970s, what makes this discovery of water on Mars different? If that difference is significant, it should be in the blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 15:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Money pull quote from the Beeb article:
While there is water frozen at the Martian poles and evidence of vapour in the atmosphere, this is the first time liquid water has been found on the planet.
I agree quite a bit that "science news" often does a poor job of immediately telling people the most important thing(s) up front: "don't bury the lede" is a tenet of good journalism. (One contributing factor: the people writing and editing the coverage, often have little to no expert scientific background, and often struggle to understand themselves the things they are attempting to tell people about, which often are communicated in the house jargon of scientific journals etc. Sure, you could contact professional scientists to seek explanation (who mostly have day jobs and do such things, when they do, as an unpaid volunteer service on top of that) but, there's that deadline and your boss has been breathing down your neck lately to get those viewership metrics up. Gotta get those social media "shares" before competitors beat you.) Blurb suggestion: Analysis… indicates the presence on Mars of underground liquid water. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Money pull quote from the Beeb article:
- Agree in principle if a main target can be improved. Maybe InSight? This is evidence of present-day liquid water underground in the Martian crust. Existence of (lots of) liquid water long ago in Mars's past has been accepted for some time, and solid water ice and gaseous water vapor are known to exist, but liquid water at Mars's surface beyond tiny transient amounts is presumed impossible today because of Mars's low atmospheric pressure. (See phase diagram. Familiar with how a pressure cooker works? Now think about how freeze drying works—which is accomplished by going the other direction and lowering ambient pressure to near-zero.) Scientists have been interested in answers to what happened to all that water. And it looks like at least some is still there deep underground, where it's under enough pressure to stay liquid. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Opppose Call me when you can fill a glass. None of this "traces of" or long-ago stuff. CoatCheck (talk) 00:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Ring ring. It's here right now and there's a lot of it. Bremps... 03:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- From that CNN article:
"Banerdt, who was not involved in the research, said that while the interpretation of the data presented in the paper is strongly supported with good arguments, he also believes it is still somewhat speculative and that there is almost always another way to explain any given set of data."
, a far cry short of these "scientists have found ___" pronouncements. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- From that CNN article:
- Support Ring ring. It's here right now and there's a lot of it. Bremps... 03:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is a single paper, and the BBC article makes claims that the scientific paper does not -- BBC:
"Scientists have discovered a reservoir of liquid water on Mars - deep in the rocky outer crust of the planet.
-- paper:"A mid-crust composed of fractured igneous rocks saturated with liquid water best explains the existing data."
This is fairly irresponsible journalism. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC) - Weak oppose per 35.139.154.158. This is still a pretty tentative discovery. Additionally, it isn't even the first potential detection of large reservoirs of liquid water on Mars—see Subglacial lakes on Mars. I am only marking this as a weak oppose as this is an in situ detection from the InSight lander, which may be ITN-worthy; I would personally say it still isn't. ArkHyena (talk) 04:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per 35.139.154.158. I'd totally support putting this on the front page if it was a more substantiated claim (and if the article was in shape, which it's not). Estreyeria (talk) 13:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose a problem for astronomy is that standard news outlet aimed for the general public just love to jump to conclusions. Fact is, the lander found some data, and someone wrote a paper saying that underground water may be an explanation for that data. There's still a huge distance from that to actually confirming such water. Scientists should formulate alternative explanations for the data, and all explanations should be tested further (or get updated if further data is obtained). Cambalachero (talk) 16:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose A few things: 1) the article itself is mostly about the historical context behind the present lack of water on mars- there is one sentence about the current update buried deep in the lead 2) The media's interpretation of the scientific paper is a stretch and still a little speculative. Schwinnspeed (talk) 14:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Rachael Lillis
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, Anime News Network
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- Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)
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Voice actress, known for voicing the English voices of Misty and Jessie from Pokemon. Died on August 10 but was only reported on this date. Tofusaurus (talk) 16:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Opppose Not enough substance. Estreyeria (talk) 19:11, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Picture Looks fine and there's plenty of coverage in mainstream sources such as the BBC. We have a good picture and so should use it to replace the aircraft picture which has been used for several days now. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Currently there's a citation-needed and several uncited roles. I hope these can be cleaned up so that this can be RD'd. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Richard Lugner
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Euronews, Barron's, Der Spiegel, Berliner Morgenpost, Tagesschau
Credits:
- Nominated by Celjski Grad (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ruedi B (talk · give credit)
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Austrian construction titan, politician, and Viennese society figure. Celjski Grad (talk) 13:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Article structure seems okay to me. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 14:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Elizabeth A. R. Brown
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Legacy.com
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- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
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American medievalist. Thriley (talk) 22:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Article needs expansion as it is still a stub. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 09:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Noël Treanor
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Irish Times
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- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:2942:2E99:912C:AA25 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Rutsq (talk · give credit)
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Irish Roman Catholic prelate. 240F:7A:6253:1:2942:2E99:912C:AA25 (talk) 17:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Minor tone issues but honestly nothing to fuss about. Bremps... 02:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 04:05, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Olympics
[edit]Blurb: The 2024 Summer Olympics ends with the closing ceremony. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The 2024 Summer Olympics closes, with the United States winning the most medals.
Alternative blurb II: The 2024 Summer Olympics conclude in Paris, France.
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)
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Starts in under 5.5 hours, but just thought to put it here for discussion so it can be live as it is ongoing.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:33, 11 August 2024 (UTC) }}
- Oppose The article for the closing ceremony has major sourcing issues. When the ceremony happens, the article will also need expansion. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:38, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I am just cleaning up the sourcing precisely for these objections. Only women's basketball left, but will find som more prose. Obviously in preparations since we can't know everything exactly.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:50, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have just added some prose to the events itself. Few sentences should be the mimumum required.Sportsnut24 (talk) 14:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! The sections for foreign dignitaries and commentators being mostly uncited was one of the reasons the opening ceremony didn't get posted, so hopefully that will not also be the case here (as more gets added to the article). Gödel2200 (talk) 14:08, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- A few sentences of text followed by endless incomplete or improperly sourced lists is not enough to meet WP:ITNQUALITY and is a clear violation of MOS:PROSE. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:52, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is true, but the ceremony hasn't happened yet, so it is no surprise the article has not been expanded. Gödel2200 (talk) 16:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- How is the official source improper? There are several prose sentences of the event.Sportsnut24 (talk) 19:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- A few sentences of text followed by endless incomplete or improperly sourced lists is not enough to meet WP:ITNQUALITY and is a clear violation of MOS:PROSE. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:52, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! The sections for foreign dignitaries and commentators being mostly uncited was one of the reasons the opening ceremony didn't get posted, so hopefully that will not also be the case here (as more gets added to the article). Gödel2200 (talk) 14:08, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Strong oppose altblurb the Olympics medal tally is measured by the number of gold medals, with silver and bronze only used in tie-breakers. It is technically correct to state that the US won the most medals, but the usage of this implies that the US 'won' the Olympics, which they didn't (China did) and might be a breach of NPOV.The prose issues brought up by @Joseph2302 (pinging for courtesy) look like they've been fixed, although article might need some more sources. In this case I'm leaning support. Also the closing ceremony just wrapped up, so pull from ongoing. Aydoh8[contribs] 22:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)- Officially, isn't the rule if golds are tied, then most silver medals declares the "winner"? But, I don't think I've seen anything saying China "won." I've seen "tied" used, but nothing else outside of that. TheCorriynial (talk) 22:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- D'oh. Didn't realise they were tied on golds (I thought China was still ahead). Thank you for reminding me, I've just updated my vote. Aydoh8[contribs] 22:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Officially, isn't the rule if golds are tied, then most silver medals declares the "winner"? But, I don't think I've seen anything saying China "won." I've seen "tied" used, but nothing else outside of that. TheCorriynial (talk) 22:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- oppose altblurb When have we previously posted which country "won"? Seems a tie. 2607:9880:2D28:108:30F3:78D1:5BE5:F230 (talk) 22:59, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- silly to mention that nonsense. the NEWS is the closingSportsnut24 (talk) 23:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Remove the Olympics from the Ongoing events. It is Finished. 24.253.86.254 (talk) 01:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- It would seem to make sense that until we have a blurb up on the closing, keeping the ongoing for 24-48 hrs for ppl coming late to see the final results would be reasonable. But after 48hr, yes, its definitely should be removed. — Masem (t) 02:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, Support but remove after 48h PrecariousWorlds (talk) 05:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's been removed. Stephen 03:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- It would seem to make sense that until we have a blurb up on the closing, keeping the ongoing for 24-48 hrs for ppl coming late to see the final results would be reasonable. But after 48hr, yes, its definitely should be removed. — Masem (t) 02:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It makes more sense to just pull the Olympics from ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- The closing ceremony is listed in ITN/R so the only concern is the quality. Also, it's been pulled already. 82.193.210.78 (talk) 19:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as the closing ceremony article is a sloppy mix of plans, predictions and actual outcomes. Just leave the Ongoing entry up for a day and then it's done. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - the closing ceremony of the Summer Olympics (and their winter components for that matter) are WP:INTR per Wikipedia:In the news/Recurring items#Multi-sport events. If you have an issue with that, take it to the talk page, not here. — Knightoftheswords 13:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone is opposed to the ITNR nature of this, but that the current article is of very low quality that pits not in a condition to post, which is a requirement ITNR or not. Masem (t) 18:30, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson, MtPenguinMonster, and DecafPotato: would beg to differ — Knightoftheswords 12:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- The article currently seems to finish in mid-air with a half-baked section called "Victory Ceremony". It's puzzling... Andrew🐉(talk) 13:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: I've significantly expanded that section with a paragraph of prose. Do you think it would be good now? DecafPotato (talk) 19:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I got the gist of it but it seemed to need copy-editing so I reworked it. It's still rather puzzling as there's a claim that this was "gender parity" but only the women got special attention. That's not what parity means. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- To clarify, the Paris Olympics were the first Olympics with gender parity (i.e. an equal number of male and female athletes), and so the organizing committee highlighted the women's marathon winner instead of the traditional men's marathon winner to celebrate how far women's sports have come. DecafPotato (talk) 08:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Tokyo Olympics had parity with both the men and women's winners featured in the closing ceremony. This time, they featured only women even though most of the men in the event ran faster than the winning woman (67 men ran faster than 2:22:55). That's gender bias not gender parity. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- To clarify, the Paris Olympics were the first Olympics with gender parity (i.e. an equal number of male and female athletes), and so the organizing committee highlighted the women's marathon winner instead of the traditional men's marathon winner to celebrate how far women's sports have come. DecafPotato (talk) 08:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- I got the gist of it but it seemed to need copy-editing so I reworked it. It's still rather puzzling as there's a claim that this was "gender parity" but only the women got special attention. That's not what parity means. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: I've significantly expanded that section with a paragraph of prose. Do you think it would be good now? DecafPotato (talk) 19:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- The article currently seems to finish in mid-air with a half-baked section called "Victory Ceremony". It's puzzling... Andrew🐉(talk) 13:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson, MtPenguinMonster, and DecafPotato: would beg to differ — Knightoftheswords 12:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone is opposed to the ITNR nature of this, but that the current article is of very low quality that pits not in a condition to post, which is a requirement ITNR or not. Masem (t) 18:30, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment – Why don't we just bold the Summer Olympics article instead of that of the closing ceremony? It's what most readers are looking for and is of a much higher quality. DecafPotato (talk) 19:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- The main Summer Olympics article itself has already been 'featured' on ITN on the Ongoing events line for about two weeks. There would need some significant consensus to move that back to a blurb that could possibly last on ITN another week, given the amount of updates (or relative lack thereof) since it was removed from Ongoing. Zzyzx11 (talk) 13:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I've re-opened the nomination for the following two reasons. Firstly, the opposition is mostly on quality grounds. Secondly, this isn't stale as the oldest blurb documents a story from 1 August 2024.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready I've changed the headings to sentence case but someone else will have to provide referencing for the anthems. Schwede66 23:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
August 10
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(Posted) RD: Celestina Casapietra
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Berliner Zeitung
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)
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Italian soprano who was "married" to the Berlin State Opera from 1965 to 1993, leading roles, also in Europe. - I knew the article from DYK days in 2019, but it's better now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article quality is good, Berliner Zeitung is reliable. A prominent soprano in the GDR. Grimes2 (talk) 16:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 04:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tuíre Kayapó
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Globo article, Tribute from government website
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Brazilian indigenous activist and leader. ForsythiaJo (talk) 01:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article quality is up to par. Bremps... 02:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support what Bremps said --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Issue There is a source WP:INTEGRITY issue in the article, as the source next to her death does not cover her actual death. Also, the article says she died at 54, while a later citation from G1 says 57.[2] Her birth year might also need updating.—Bagumba (talk) 03:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've added a footnote about the uncertainty of her age at death/year of birth - thank you for bringing this discrepancy up! ForsythiaJo (talk) 18:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support issue was addressed; article ready. FlipandFlopped ツ 20:09, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 23:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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(needs attention) RD: Kasper König
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): art-news i English and others in German
Credits:
- Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
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Influential for modern art as curator, publisher, professor, museum director. There was a minimal article. He'd deserve more detail (which is in the sources), but time is running out. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Conditional support Needs a reference for the full date of birth but otherwise, it looks ready. Schwede66 23:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- I found a ref (dpa), added. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ida Bagus Ardana
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://radarbali.jawapos.com/peristiwa/704956420/geger-mantan-bupati-jembrana-ida-bagus-ardana-diduga-tewas-bersama-istri-di-sesetan-ada-bercak-darah-kamar-terkunci
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- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
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Former bureaucrat and politician in Bali; found dead in his house under mysterious circumstances. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:05, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks alright and well-cited for ITN standards. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 20:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 01:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
(Closed; posted RD) RD: Susan Wojcicki
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Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Former CEO of YouTube Susan Wojcicki dies at the age of 56. (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times Variety Reuters
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- Nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Natemup (talk · give credit), Titanoboa Constrictor (talk · give credit) and Zszn (talk · give credit)
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Wait Article's in good shape. However, I want to see more reliable sources publish the news before we post.❤HistoryTheorist❤ 05:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Other publications are now reporting this as well. Natg 19 (talk) 06:17, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Alrighty. My search engine probably has not caught up. :) I support nomination now. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 06:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Other publications are now reporting this as well. Natg 19 (talk) 06:17, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support ITN. I don't see why somebody who owned one the largest video broadcasting companies in the world for 10 years should not have at least an ITN Lukt64 (talk) 08:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- A CEO of a company is not the owner. Celjski Grad (talk) 10:38, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD Article is of sufficient quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD Article is in good shape. Grimes2 (talk) 08:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD Worth mentioning and everyone is talking about it in Social Media, can't see why we cannot put a CEO's name who foresaw the globalisation of internet entertainment in the past couple of years .Fluddsskark (talk) 10:11, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support ITN/Blurb She was a very, very well known CEO of one of the biggest platforms in the world and sat in her position for the past 10 years. If the consensus is RD, consider this support RD. TwistedAxe [contact] 10:47, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD Her work does not really rise to the level of a blurb, but at least the article is well-cited. rawmustard (talk) 11:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted RD—Bagumba (talk) 14:39, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- support blurb one of the biggest entrepreneurs of the digital era. if random cult following figures like pop stars (e.g. Prince) or actors (that black guy from the Black Panther the movie) deserve a mention, she does too. Especially since her death came in as a surprise (fairly young, has not revealed her disease before her death. Kasperquickly (talk) 17:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I mean that black guy from black panther was also one of the biggest Hollywood actors, though his notability for posting was iffy PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Jim Brown was transformational. How about Wojcicki? Recommending Google buy YouTube isn't that big a deal. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:07, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I mean that black guy from black panther was also one of the biggest Hollywood actors, though his notability for posting was iffy PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Big name. Led massive growth in a company which now influences a billion human hours every day. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 19:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Picture Recent discussions on ITN's talk page show strong support for posting pictures for RDs and changing ITN's picture every day. The aircraft picture has been posted for over a day now and we have a good picture of this person so let's use it. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:45, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- PP Support for RD respectfully oppose blurb. Notable? Certainly. On the same level as Warren Buffet, Elon Musk or Bill Gates? No. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:18, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb - not only did she have a substantial impact on YouTube, but she was an effective queenpin in Google for a decade and a half prior to becoming CEO. — Knightoftheswords 13:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Notable but figuring out how to monetize humans staring at photons emitted from a substrate isn't exactly newsworthy. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Monetizing humans looking a photons from a substrate has been universally acknowledged as one of the most important events of the past half century. — Knightoftheswords 12:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yea, but am I not allowed to be grumpy about it? Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- That feels like a bit of a reach, and even if we believe this, does Wojcicki get outsized credit for the idea? DarkSide830 (talk) 19:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Monetizing humans looking a photons from a substrate has been universally acknowledged as one of the most important events of the past half century. — Knightoftheswords 12:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb did not have major world influence or importance. I would argue that most CEOs should not be blurbed, outside of newsworthy/major figures such as Steve Jobs, Warren Buffett, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, or Bill Gates. Natg 19 (talk) 20:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral on blurb. Not like I would be torn up over running; to me it's sort of "close to the line" and could go either way really. To me the "transformational figure" thing ought to be something easy to quantify: did major news outlets in multiple countries regularly "hang on their every word" so to speak, and run stories solely about: "Person X said/did thing Y"? People mentioned like Gates and Warren easily qualify; looking to other shores, Jack Ma is one who comes to mind. It needs to be solely about quantifiable data that people broadly agree upon (a "consensus" of sorts you might say), not everyone's individual subjective judgments which will frequently differ. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. Not a global household name. Sandstein 11:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Steve Symms
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Idaho Public Television, Idaho Capital Sun
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- Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
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Former U.S. Senator from Idaho. Died yesterday, but death announced today. Article seems to be in pretty good shape. Curbon7 (talk) 00:34, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Almost Ready I would vote !support, but there is a statement in the article which I don't know needs citation or not (about Symms choosing not to run for re-election in 1992). I'd be safe and cite it, but overall the article looks pretty good and the lack of citation should not stop it from getting posted. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 00:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've added a citation for it. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:27, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Election results section needs references. SpencerT•C 11:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Spencer: I've now added citations. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 23:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Voepass Linhas Aéreas Flight 2283
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Blurb: Voepass Linhas Aéreas Flight 2283 crashes in São Paulo, Brazil, killing all 62 people on board (Post)
News source(s): G1 Globo CNN
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- Nominated by RandomInfinity17 (talk · give credit)
- Support This is a very major incident. Stuart2202 (talk) 19:08, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Sad/Terrible news. The article structure looks fair enough. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 19:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for article to develop further - it’s a bit short at the moment. Support on notability, though. The Kip (contribs) 19:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Decent sized air crash. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Skyshiftertalk 19:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major transportation related mass casualty event. We typically post this sort of thing. Article is no longer a stub and is well sourced. I expect it to expand as more information becomes available. Good to go. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. Sandstein 20:02, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Sandstein: please, add Vinhedo. ArionStar (talk) 02:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see a need to. Sandstein 08:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Sandstein: please, add Vinhedo. ArionStar (talk) 02:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The information in the article currently gives no indication of significance beyond a standard investigation. Airplane crashes have no inherent significance or notability, which seems to be the only argument that !support votes have offered. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:15, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Mass casualty events are considered to be standard thresh-hold for international news. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:06, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Harizotoh9 Mass casualty events are routinely deleted at AfD and they don't automatically have lasting significance. This is just another ITNism made up by a group that has insulated itself from the community and pretends sitewide standards don't apply here. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:37, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- citation needed. Its actually very hard to delete "news" articles despite the fact that WP:NOTNEWS exists. We should be far more discriminate about when we create articles (and thus feature in ITN) about such events, but we have a really bad problem that editors will rush to create an article about anything, and then when the suggestion of an AFD or merge comes up, too many fighting to keep it on claims that news coverage meets notability, despite that both the GNG and NEVENT caution about bursts of news coverage being used to define notability. Masem (t) 01:27, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is definitely also true. But I've noticed that news type events from the 2000s and increasingly the 2010s are more readily deleted because at this point it's obvious that they were never notable in the first place. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Anyone who thinks this lacks notability is of course free to open a discussion at WP:AFD. I would however gently suggest taking a deep breath first, unless you are fond of seafood. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is definitely also true. But I've noticed that news type events from the 2000s and increasingly the 2010s are more readily deleted because at this point it's obvious that they were never notable in the first place. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- citation needed. Its actually very hard to delete "news" articles despite the fact that WP:NOTNEWS exists. We should be far more discriminate about when we create articles (and thus feature in ITN) about such events, but we have a really bad problem that editors will rush to create an article about anything, and then when the suggestion of an AFD or merge comes up, too many fighting to keep it on claims that news coverage meets notability, despite that both the GNG and NEVENT caution about bursts of news coverage being used to define notability. Masem (t) 01:27, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Harizotoh9 Mass casualty events are routinely deleted at AfD and they don't automatically have lasting significance. This is just another ITNism made up by a group that has insulated itself from the community and pretends sitewide standards don't apply here. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:37, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Mass casualty events are considered to be standard thresh-hold for international news. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:06, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Post-Posting Support Per the lead of the article, this is the first deadly aviation accident in Brazil since 2011, and the deadliest in Brazil since 2007, which passes the bar for notability in my mind. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Kevin Sullivan (wrestler)
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestlezone
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:BC2A:8EA5:908C:9F2A (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MIDI (talk · give credit) and Speakfor23 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American professional wrestler. 240F:7A:6253:1:BC2A:8EA5:908C:9F2A (talk) 15:47, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. This one is in rough shape is going to need some work to get it up to scratch. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:30, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
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