Talk:USS Vincennes (CG-49)

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I have cut large chunks of the information and moved it into the article (already in existence) on Cmd Rogers. Refdoc 22:56, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

So you moved uncontested content relating to the ship's actions to an factuality-disputed article about the commander? Seems kind of backwards - the article about the person should be about the person (got a medal, etc), article about the ship should be about what the ship as a whole did (fired two missiles, etc). It would be like stripping down the combat actions of all the WWII ships and moving those into articles about whoever was in command for each action. Stan 03:24, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

No, sorry, but I did not explain myself enough.

I moved the personal aspects over to the captain's entry - i.e. fully exonerated and given a medal by GWB's dad. I removed the account of the event re Iran Air 655 as this is fully discussed in the Iran Air Flight 655 entry. Latter article contains all different versions and has much more factual information. It is true one aspect (i.e a claim by User:K1 that the USA accused the pilot of running a suicide mission with his plane) is still disputed, though there has been no further argument for a while on this aspect and I hope the message can come down today. If I had not removed the whole lot the discussion would have to be repeated here - as the account on this entry was certainly not uncontested. Refdoc 08:11, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I believe the revert from "many" + "cover-up" to "some" and "flawed" is disingenious. Please have a look at the Iran Air Flight 655 and please look beyond the US shores - there are many who do not believe a word teh US government ahs issued on this affair - whether or not you are happy with this fact. Refdoc 15:51, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hey man, better zip up. Your POV is showing. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 16:04, 2005 Jan 13 (UTC)

Question: does the Vincennes still have SH-2 sea sprites? Or are they now SH-60Bs or some other variant of the seahawk? --Priznat 06:30, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Question: In quite a few News-reports the 'Vincennes' was referred to as a 'floating command post' capable of tracking hundreds of aircraft and ships at the same time- the 'eyes and ears' of an entire fleet. Why has it been designated as a 'guided missile cruiser' ? -Back then, reports said that the armament carried aboard was purely defensive- the vessel was basically a computer-system with a ship built around it ? -I also remember reading in an American article at the time that Commander Rogers had been a member of a Navy-thinktank prior to his command of the ship; he had been responsible for assessing electronic warfare-systems, including the 'Aegis'- computer-system. 86.41.214.219 20:36, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

use of she

Is she appropriate for describing this ship? Elleohelle

"She" is the traditional pronoun. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 08:00, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

How else would you describe her?Phase4 21:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

"She" is the traditional and sentimental pronoun, but most professional guides, references, and publications use "it." 02:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Decommissioning

The article already talks about the 4th Vincennes being decommissioned and mothballed: why therefore should the "cleanup" template be used? Is there a fifth Vincennes on the way?Phase4 19:25, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Iranian gunboat attack prior to airbus shooting is ignored in this article.

No comments about the Iranian gunboat attack on the Vincennes prior to the shooting of the airbus. Why was this important fact not included? Hoplite300 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoplite300 (talk • contribs) 03:22, April 17, 2007

The Iranian gunboats never attacked the USS Vincennes, I don't know where you got this information from, perhaps the television. The only offense from the Iranian gunboats was supposedly at an U.S. attack helicopter, which is still not fully proved/in dispute. Please check things more precisely rather than to jump on the computer after you watch a U.S. documentary on your Brainwash Set. --78.86.159.199 (talk) 08:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Very amusing, I've never heard an SH-60 Seahawk called an attack helicopter until now. You must have watched some brainwash program, too. --Dual Freq (talk) 11:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Cursed ship

Not sure of the relevance of this, but the Vincennes had a reputation as being a "cursed ship" in the US Navy. There are a number of stories of, well, shall we say "eccentric" officers, strange incidents, and the like. I know it's not really factual, but would stories of this be worth putting in a trivia section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raulpascal (talk • contribs) 19:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Heard similar, but is this of encyclopedic content? If you insist, cite the accounts of the crew members or strange happenings and perhaps include it under an urban legend/trivia section in a careful manner so you stay true to your source. --78.86.159.199 (talk) 08:07, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

2004 Incident

In 2004 the Vincennes was the only Navy ship in Yokosuka to not tie down with storm lines as a typhoon approached. The ship was pushed so hard by the wind in the typhoon that the mooring lines snapped, the ship drifted (still partially attached to the pier) and crashed into the Coronado, causing millions in damage. One of the Coronado's antennas collapsed from the impact and pierced the Vincennes. Subsequently, during any typhoon, no matter how minor, or hundreds of miles from Yokosuka, it is now mandatory for all Navy ships in Yokosuka to go out into Tokyo bay to ride out the storms. This has lead to Typhoon season being a season of no weekends for sailors. If this incident isn't worthy of the page, you guys can at least enjoy it here in the discussion section. Promontoriumispromontorium (talk) 11:56, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Dubious

1. Why would anybody be measuring the distances this ship steams in statute miles?
2. Why is a 1982-built warship "steaming" in any case?
3. Even if the miles are statute miles, those out-of-context miles need to be visibly identified as such on this page. Gene Nygaard (talk) 15:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

1. Because some people don't understand a nautical mile is longer than a statue mile? 2. Tradition. 3. This is wikipedia, add it yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.102.233.103 (talk) 22:46, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Huh?

This article states: "Iran government has not released any passenger list at the request of United Nations." Although it is hard to tell since it is written in pigeon English, e.g., the sentence should begin "The Iranian Government," one suspects the authors here are trying to say that, despite UN requests, the Iranian government has refused to release a passenger list, not that the UN requested the Iranians not to release such a list, but being Wiki you never know which conspiracy theory is being promoted... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.61.139 (talk) 21:15, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Iran Air Flight 655 destruction

The are a few facts that should be included in this article:

1 - USS Vincennes was in Iranian territorial waters when she shot down the Iranian civil flight. 2 - Captain Will Rogers III, disobeyed a direct order not to engage the Iranian gun boats north of his position. He only had authorization to send an helicopter recon mission. 3 - From the 10 attempts to contacts the Iran Air Flight, 7 were done in a military distress frequency that a civil aircraft could not receive. In the other 3, there was not a clear identification of the plane it was intended to. 4 - Data received by CIC (flight altitude and speed of Iran Air Flight 655) was poorly and even wrongly interpreted.

In result of this "incident", even with the knowledge of those facts, no prosecution was done and the Captain was decorated... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.242.22.159 (talk) 00:03, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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In media

In Tom Clancy's "Red Storm Rising" she fights off a missile attack during Iceland takeover — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.2.3.196 (talk) 23:59, 14 March 2018 (UTC)