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Fake Celtic etymology

The article has contained this for a while now:

There is also dubron, a Celtic name for water (Gaulish dubron, Irish dobar, Welsh dŵr, dwfr, Cornish dofer), akin to the toponyms Douvres, Dover, and Tauber,^[1] which can also explain the name.^{[failed verification]}

I can't find a source that actually says this, so I'm removing it as WP:OR that conflicts with sources that specifically discuss the etymology of the word. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 15:23, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Whitley Stokes; Adalbert Bezzenberger (1894), "dubron", in August Fick (ed.), Vergleichendes Wörterbuch der indogermanischen Sprachen: Wortschatz der Keltischen Spracheinheit, vol. 2 (4th ed.), Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht, pp. 153–154

Croatia and modern Dubrovnik

I've altered the first sentence, and the first paragraph accordingly, to reflect the nation status of Croatia at the top of the article. It seemed odd to simply describe Croatia geographically as a 'semi-enclave' there. I also note the lack of references to modern Dubrovnik. See Bruges for example. I might come back and insert some detail in due course. Emmentalist (talk) 08:08, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More etymology

As stated in the article for the word "argosy" the word comes from "Ragusa." Wastrel Way (talk) Eric Wastrel Way (talk) 12:44, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments and questions on the article

1. "After the Crusades, Dubrovnik came under the sovereignty of Venice (1205–1358)" does not sound right since the 4th Crusade happened in 1202. It sounds more like the text should say "During the Crusades Dubrovnik ...".

2. The sentence "From these travels they founded some settlements, from India (cf. Ragusan trade with India) to America, and brought parts of their culture and flora home with them" is pretty ugly. It should be rewritten. Also, I have not clue what "cf." means.

3. Both "History" and "Heritage" sections say that in May 1544 a ship landed in Dubrovnik and it was filled exclusively with Portuguese refugees, as Balthasar de Faria reported to King John. There is a link behind "Portuguese" for the second instance rather than the first and King John is mentioned (presumably the John III which deserves a regnal number and an internal link for additional clarity).

4. The sentence "This status also allowed increased trade with the inland regions through the Balkan overland trade which made merchants from Dubrovnik to build up a strong network unequaled with other Christian states" does not have the proper structure and should be fixed as necessary.

5. The last paragraph in the "Early modern period" section is unclear and should be rewritten in a simpler and less convoluted way.

6. "When the Habsburg Empire annexed these provinces after the 1815 Congress of Vienna". Which provinces? It's ambiguous.

7. "Once the personal, political and economic damage of the Napoleonic Wars had been overcome, new movements began to form in the region, calling for a political reorganisation of the Adriatic along national lines". This sentence lacks an adjective to describe Adriatic. Is it "region"?

8. "In 1905, the Committee for establishing electric tram service, headed by Luko Bunić was established. Other members of the Committee were Ivo Papi, Miho Papi, Artur Saraka, Mato Šarić, Antun Pugliesi, Mato Gracić, Ivo Degiulli, Ernest Katić and Antun Milić." The long list of people who contributed is arguably very irrelevant/unnecessary.

9a. In the "Important monuments" section I read "The city's Dominican Monastery resembles a fortress on the outside but the interior contains an art museum and a Gothic-Romanesque church". Since Romanesque happened before Gothic shouldn't the adjective be "Romanesque-Gothic"?

9b. In the "Important monuments" section I also read "The Little Onofrio's Fountain stands at the eastern side of the Placa, supplying water to the market place in the Luža Square". I wonder what "Placa" is. It's unclear.

10. "The walls are 4 to 6 metres (13–20 feet) thick on the landward side but are much thinner on the seaward side". Does anybody know the thickness near the sea?

11. The "Demographics" section says "The total population of the city is 41,562 (census 2021), in the following settlements" at the top and "The population was 42,615 in 2011, down from 49,728 in 1991" at the bottom. The two should be unified into a single statement at the top, also because 3 data points are offered 10 years apart from each other.

12. The "Gallery" section could be expanded to include additional images that do not fit within the left/right column layout of the article.

13. In the "Notable people" section all the entries from Mato Vodopić to Dubravka Tomšič Srebotnjak have a date. It's unclear if those are dates of birth or death. Each of the 9 entries should be fixed accordingly like I did for Aaron ben David Cohen above them.

14. I think the "Notable people" and the "Acknowledgements" sections should be near each other since the theme is the same. The second could be placed right after the first, followed by "Twin towns - sister cities" and "In popular culture".

15. The "Twin towns - sister cities" section might as well be called "Twin cities".

16. The placement of a "Languages" sub-section in the "History" section is certainly pertinent to the history of Dubrovnik but I think it would fit better under the "Demographics".

ICE77 (talk) 20:01, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Whitley Stokes; Adalbert Bezzenberger (1894), "dubron", in August Fick (ed.), Vergleichendes Wörterbuch der indogermanischen Sprachen: Wortschatz der Keltischen Spracheinheit, vol. 2 (4th ed.), Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht, pp. 153–154

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