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In the infobox, it states 'Soviet victory' which is a completely reasonable and evident claim. However, are 3 citations really necessary? I don't think that this needs any specific references, much less three, given it's not controversial. JumbledPasta (talk) 21:12, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've looked throughout the article and it is repeated stated that the U.K. declared war on Finland on 6 December 1941. However, on page 54 in the second volume of the 'British Foreign Policy in the Second World War' (available through archive.org) section of the History of the Second World War, which is the official history of British involvement throughout the war and was published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, it states that Britain declared war on Finland on 5 December 1941. Why is there a discrepancy between these two dates? And why is the date of 6 December frequented restated not just on this article but even in the Finland in World War II article and various other periodical online sources? Which one should be used in this article as the official date of the declaration? JumbledPasta (talk) 02:08, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The current lead is too long and needs to be shortened substanially. According to MOS:LEADLENGTH, the lead should be compressed to about 10 to 15 sentences of 3 paragraphs, or about 300 words total. Currently, it has 607 words total and 6 paragraphs. I will be dramatically reducing the length with accordance to WP:SS throughout the process. JumbledPasta (talk) 03:15, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Too vague reference to the beginning of Continuation war
In the " It began with a Finnish declaration of war and invasion on 25 June 1941 and ended on 19 September 1944 with the Moscow Armistice. " is too vague and does not take in consideration what caused the reaction on 25th June 1941. Documented finnish side saw that the 25th started with USSR 27 SB 2 bomber attack to small city of Heinola and 18 other locations in southern-Finland.
On 22nd of June Germany had declared war against USSR and Göbbels declared in radio that Finland fought "Im Verein und im Bunde". This was translated in Ministry of foreign affairs as Im Verein "together" and im bunde "in union", however the latter was considered to mean "side by side". After Göbbels radio release, Finnish ministry of foreign affairs stated that Finland would stay outside of the war between Germany and USSR. There was no official documentation written for this co-operation, but Germany had stated later afterwards that the missing official documentation was replaced by previous letter sent by Adolf Hitler to Ryti in 21st of June 1941 which Ryti then replied 28th of June 1941 with his own letter.
As the attack happened on 25th of June and basically the letter was sent back to Adolf Hitler that was considered official document on 28th, the disrepancy on using Finnish declaration of war in this type of context should be reconsidered. (Radio speech on 26th of June 1941 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risto_Ryti translated to english describing situation after bombing".) 87.94.108.199 (talk) 10:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"On 22 June 1941, the Germans launched their massive invasion of the Soviet Union. Finland had already secretly mobilized its forces and declared war on 25 June..." (p. 442) [1]. Mellk (talk) 07:03, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure what you are arguing. From what I can see, the source mentions the Finnish position, then the analysis says: "Hitler’s declaration in itself could serve as a sufficient reason for the Soviet Union to take military measures against Finland... It is the inherent right of every State to defend itself against an attack endangering its existence. For Finland to avoid Soviet attack it would have been important to 1) contest Hitler’s declaration 2) declare neutrality according to its law, 3) emphasize to the Soviets that the German forces in Finland were meant only for Finland’s defensive purposes, and 4) assure that no military action would be taken across the border... I conclude that the Soviet Union had weighty reasons to argue that it had the right to use armed force in self-defence against Finland starting on 25 June. Finland was playing a double game." Mellk (talk) 18:13, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then in the conclusion: "After Germany attacked against the Soviet Union, Finland reoccupied the territories lost in the Winter War. The Finnish forces did not stop at the old border but attacked to the Eastern (Soviet) Karelia and occupied it with a wish eventually to annex it. By that measure, Finland joined as Germany’s ally in its war of aggression against the Soviet Union..." Mellk (talk) 18:15, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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