Talk:Succession to Muhammad

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Improving the presentation of minority views

I'm going to work on this article over the course of the next few weeks to improve the presentation of Shia views. I'll discuss any major changes in this section. Albertatiran (talk) 06:56, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Among other things, I also plan to replace all instances of Shiite with Shia. The latter can be used as a noun or an adjective according to Google Dictionary. Albertatiran (talk)

When discussing the hadith of position, the sentence "...having died during Moses' lifetime after being punished by God for the latter's mistakes" from [Miskinzoda, 2015] contradicts the Islamic belief that prophets, including Moses, were infallible (even though different sects of Islam have slightly different interpretations of infallibility).^[1]^[2] This view about Moses likely has Jewish roots. I have a difficult time finding a source for this view in the Islamic literature and Miskinzoda does not provide a reference for her claim. I'd like to remove this sentence. Albertatiran (talk) 14:27, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In the subsection Supporting Abu Bakr's Succession, the sentence "Among Sunni sources, Abu Bakr's succession is justified by narrations of Muhammad displaying the regard with which he held the former" is not cited. Every subsection here corresponds to a single incident and it might be better to change the title of the subsection and focus on Abu Bakr's congregational prayer. Unlike the other subsections, the title of this subsection is clearly biased. Albertatiran (talk) 09:52, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are a few primary sources in the text that I'd hope to replace or remove, e.g., Musnid Ahmed, Tabari. Also to be removed: Restatement of the history of Islam and Muslims. Another to-do item is to move all sources to a separate bibliography section at the end of the article. Lastly, I'd like to copy-edit the text to improve its neutrality and readability, e.g., by removing instances of "indeed" and adding "according to" and such. Albertatiran (talk) 11:39, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Elamir, Norah (2016). The theological concept of ʿisma from the early to modern period of Islam (PDF) (Thesis). The University of Texas at Austin.
^ Al-Sabuni, Muhammad Ali (2018). The infallibility of the prophets. Beacon Books. ISBN 9780992633561.

New edits

Collected the bibliography at the end of the article, added perhaps a dozen new reliable sources, copy-edited the article to improve neutrality and clarity. These edits are too many to summarize here but, I think, it's very clear that the revised article is better-sourced and less biased. I don't think any of the edits are controversial but, if there are any concerns, please discuss them here first. Albertatiran (talk) 19:51, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oke

@Hut pagle 119.155.185.40 (talk) 13:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Socialogy

Fit to by my HS 119.155.185.40 (talk) 13:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its ok 119.155.185.40 (talk) 13:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Elamir, Norah (2016). The theological concept of ʿisma from the early to modern period of Islam (PDF) (Thesis). The University of Texas at Austin.

[2] Al-Sabuni, Muhammad Ali (2018). The infallibility of the prophets. Beacon Books. ISBN 9780992633561.

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