Talk:Muslims

Languages in infobox

This infobox element is of pretty dubious WP:WEIGHT. There is a paucity of reliable sources focusing on this to a significant degree. One source is just about global populations, another analyses languages among Muslims, but at a community level, and another is just about Arabic dialects. More generally, this is a rather unusual and unnatural way to bisect a religion's adherents. It is also relatively duplicative of the already tiresome list of different populations by country, since language use obviously closely reflects the national origins of adherents. In addition, there is no information about languages on the page, making the inclusion of this material in the infobox, which is supposed to be a summary of material on the page, an overreach per MOS:INFOBOX. So doubly flawed. If it were to be binned, it would be no loss to readers. Does anyone disagree? Iskandar323 (talk) 08:55, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree (While we're at it, the section above that, listing the Sunni, Shi'a etc shouldn't be called "religions", but something like "denominations" or "branches"). Furius (talk) 14:47, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Not an unreasonable proposal to me... This particular infobox doesn't seem to say much besides some potentially inaccurate statistics better fit for the body of the article. On a (marginally) related note, the first paragraph in "Demographics" might be better presented as a list. Albertatiran (talk) 20:19, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

The alternative is that all of these infoboxes are just jokes. Hindus has the additional irony of using the subhead "Predominant spoken languages" before rattling off about fifty examples, somewhat exemplifying the Pandora's Box nature of this kind of infobox addition. POV turns "predominant" into everything. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:37, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Correctness of the shahada transcription

Hello, I just noticed an issue with the shahada transcription (see here: diff), I am certain that my edit was correct as I checked many other websites and also other Wikipedia and Wiktionary pages to be sure. Other than that, I am not an expert in Latin transcribing Arabic, so I would be happy if anybody can check that transcription for any other errors that may be present. Thanks.

As a Muslim myself, I do not say "illallahu", but "illallah", there is no "u" in the page Shahada either. So I need assistance here, because I do not want to make edits that I am not 1000% certain about. Guherto (talk) 22:10, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Reliability of Morocco World News and The Munsif Daily

As of 2020, it has 1.9 billion adherents, or 24.9% of the global population. According to data from the Pew Research Center, the global Muslim population was estimated to be around 1.8 billion in 2015, and it's projected to reach 2.2 billion by 2030. Some sources indicating that the number reached 2 billion but not reliables, unless someone shares reliable sources. Morocco World News The Munsif Daily, based their data and claims on "the Global Muslim Population website".

Global Muslim population website, is the website that these sources based their claims on it, and this website is not a reliable source.Durziil89 (talk) 05:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Infobox image

Recently, I changed the image in the infobox for this article, which was later reverted by @StasiaNote. I did this because the image shown in the infobox is the following painting:

Prayer in Cairo by Jean-Léon Gérôme, 1865

The reason I decided to remove this painting as the depiction for Muslims is primarily because of the artist himself, Jean-Léon Gérôme. Gérôme is infamously known for his participation in Orientalism, even the lead image on that article shows a painting by Gérôme. His article also discusses his Orientalist legacy. By using this image (and only this depiction of Muslims is used in the entire article), Wikipedia risks associating itself with Orientalism, which would violate NPOV.

I certainly recommend replacing the Gérôme painting with a less controversial image. When I removed the painting, I replaced it with the following photograph. I thought it would be the most helpful as:

1. Every person depicted in the image is certainly a Muslim.
2. The location is an area important to the religion of Islam.
3. A diverse group of people are represented in the photo.
4. The people are participating an Islamic ritual.

A crowd of Muslim pilgrims at the Kaaba, Mecca, 2016

If, for whatever reason, this image is also controversial, then I suggest the usage of one of the images in the below gallery.

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  Muslim men praying in Indonesia
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  Muslim women in Iran during Qadr night.
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  Muslim prayer in Damascus
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  Eid al-fitr prayer in Zahedan
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  Jiangwan Mosque, Yangpu District, Shanghai, China

―Howard • 🌽³³ 19:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Unlisted populations

Why are none of the other countries listed like khazakistan etc? You can even see the percentages for the country itself on its wiki... 173.80.7.142 (talk) 01:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2024

Please list Hindustani language before Bengali language in infobox as it has more than double the total Muslim speakers l1 and l2 combined. Hindustani (includes both registers Urdu and Hindi) is spoken by Muslims of India (specially in North India and every major city of India) and Pakistan. Whereas Bengali is limited to Bengal region. 2404:3100:1453:85AF:1:0:D5A9:E9BD (talk) 07:54, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Left guide (talk) 11:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)